HomeMy WebLinkAboutCity Council Meeting - Council Workshop - Minutes - 12/11/2001 SPECIAL COUNCIL WORKSHOP MINUTES
DECEMBER 11, 2001
COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT: President Leona Orr, Tom Brotherton, Tim Clark, Connie
Epperly, Julie Peterson, Judy Woods, Rico Yingling
STAFF PRESENT: Mike Martin, Dena Laurent, Jim Huntington, Cyndi Wilbur, Jacki Skaught,
Charlene Anderson, Don Wickstrom, Mark Madfai, Gary Gill, John Hodgson, Kim Marousek, Roger
Lubovich, May Miller, Dominic Marzano, Steve Hamilton, Fred Satterstrom, Susanne Smith, John
Hillman, Jackie Bicknell
PUBLIC PRESENT: Jeff Barker, Jim Reinhardsen, Geoff Graham, Bruce White, Clark Townsend,
Paul Morford, Randy Kyte, Joe Blattner, Russ Keithly,
The workshop began at 5:06 PM.
KENT STATION BRIEFING
Chief Administrative Officer Mike Martin—Last summer we circulated an RFP, and RFQ and we
have continued to negotiate with Langly Properties Inc. because they were the developer that
proposed a vision that was most close to ours. The goal was to develop a downtown for the City of
Kent on the 22 acres of what was the Borden site, which is now being demolished. We wanted to
create a high quality pedestrian oriented mixed use development that focused on retail, office, an
academic component, and entertainment that was close to or convenient to transit options and took
. advantage of the Sound Transit Garage, which will be finished in about March of 2002. In general,
those were kind of the parameters. The city was interested in a number of things: creating a place,
"The"downtown, "the"meeting place, "the"place we thought of instantly as Kent Station.
I'm particularly interested in growing our tax base. I think the message from our constituents is
pretty clear regarding the way we use our taxes or the type of taxes that we allow to grow, and we
feel that sales tax is a good one and this is part of our overall economic strategy for the city for the
long term. That's something I would like to emphasize to you, that this project is big. It's big by any
standard in the Puget Sound or in the state and it's a long haul and there's going to be a period of
time,particularly over the next 18 months to 2-3 years, when there's going to be a lot of things going
on but nothing coming out of the ground and that's always the hardest part for a project. Just like the
Ice Skating Rink that was opened this afternoon, and I'll remind you of this again because of the size
of the project, it will necessarily move at a deliberate pace. We're not going to make any mistakes on
this. We're going to be checking back with you constantly for policy directions.
There a couple of issues that will be brought to your attention this evening that are examples of that.
We have two things going on right now. The city is involved in perhaps a dozen to 20 tasks that are
very specific. At the end of this presentation I'm going to tell you about 5 or 6 of the more
significant ones, in brief. The city is spending a lot of time, money, and effort in moving forward the
things that need to be done in order to get this project pad ready. That means that in 18 months from
now, or so, it's our goal to be able to actually have completed the permitting process and have
buildings that we're doing real work on. We believe that the timing of this is perfect. It seems funny
. to hear that in this economy, right now,but virtually everybody in this area, in the Puget Sound, in
the state that understands this economy is saying the same thing, and that is that you take advantage
of the downturn in the economy to get ready. You get in the pipeline and so when the economy
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begins to turn around we are ready to go. A lot of our neighbors have similar projects that they are
• working on. We are ahead of them in most cases. We want their projects to work out, too, but we
want ours to work out first and we're well positioned to do that. Unless I receive policy direction to
the contrary, this is going to be a large part of my focus over my sane lifetime. We have a number of
issues that are going on in the city besides that we're working on concurrently. We are sitting down
with the developers and talking with them about how we make this work. The city has certain
objectives. The developers understandably have different objectives. They're here for a private
sector purpose. We're here for a public sector purpose and we have found, so far, that those two
purposes do not contradict each other. We believe that we're going to be able to, much as with the
ice rink, be able to put together the sort of development that you have envisioned,that you have sent
us forth to accomplish and be able to accommodate the developer's interest and our interest as well.
Reaching that agreement requires us talking with them, figuring out how we share costs, share
upsides, how we share risk, and how we do all that stuff. We're an easy 4-6 months away from
nailing that down.
We have a representative from Green River Community College in the audience, which is one of our
partners in this. We're working with them very closely and are excited about the prospect of having a
campus that would accommodate between 400 and 750 students in our downtown. We think it would
be a good thing for the city, for the development and we're actively working with them. They are
committed to this and the city is committed to helping them. We have another anchor that is very
committed and that is the American Cinema Group, which would bring a cinema to the downtown.
We feel that would be a very welcome addition to this development. We are talking with them,just
as with our developer, we have to understand what it is they need, what it is we can do for them, and
• what the up side is for the city.
Geoff Graham, Hunter Interests— I'll provide a little bit of transition since I stood before you 2 or 3
years ago and we talked about why we're doing that and refresh your memory perhaps. When we
decided to purchase the property, a lot of it was we were going to be talking about intervention in the
market to stimulate urban revitalization and the local economy. Fred Satterstrom's department is
really focusing right now on making sure the transition from the new Kent Station is melded with our
existing urban fabric so we realize the maximum economic impacts. That's one of the key objectives
we'll be looking at as we go forward, as well. There's going to be a lot of trade-offs between what
your objectives are, resources are, and what the market is going to bear, and I think Langly has a very
strong team to help you realize your objectives. The market is weak. It's not a strong economy in
our downtown. You can see that by some of the vacancies right now. It's not an easy project to do.
We want to focus right now in getting the best possible project and the components that will work
and will stand the test of time, and enduring positive economic impact is really our goal for this
project. I urge you to keep that in mind as you're looking at policy and making those hard decisions
on how much we're willing to vest in this project to make it happen because I think it is a critical
project for your city and the region as a whole to have a strong city center, and I think you should
look at examples all around the country. The regions that have that strong city center are going to be
more successful over time.
Russ Keithly, CEO of Langly Properties—We're delighted to be here. We have been in existence for
over 20 years. Have done most of our development in the Puget Sound area. We've done things in
Portland and Denver as well. We have done a great variety of things, even a little office industrial
complex in Kent, called the Cumberland Center, many years ago. The reason you were interested in
us is nearly 20 years ago we did Kirkland Park Place in Kirkland, which is one of the first suburban
mixed use projects in the region. In the mid 1990's,we did Pickering Place in Issaquah which again
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is a combination of office, retail, theater, and restaurants and, while not serving as a model for this,
has many of the ingredients. We obviously have large box users which we will not have here. But
we have nice things like the world corporate headquarters of Costco, which is a very positive thing
for the community of Issaquah. The final thing that cemented our kind of reputation, if you will, as
city center developers in suburban eastside is about three years ago Randy Kyte joined our
organization as a principle. Randy had done a lot of retail over the years and the most notorious and
hopefully successful was Redmond Town Center and I think Randy learned a lot in that. He was the
man responsible for that from Winmar and everybody in a very short period of time is familiar with
Redmond Town Center and we would like to give you a very different town center. Perhaps a more
integrated town center, but something that people—you all nod your head when I say Redmond
Town Center and we would like everybody to nod their head in a few years when we say the City of
Kent Station. We have the architect that did the Redmond Town Center, has done a lot of town
center work. He did Gresham Station down in the Portland area and has done things you know—the
recent Convention Center expansion in downtown Seattle, Benaroya Hall. Our partner in this is
Tarragon Development.
Joe Blattner, Managing partner of Tarragon Development—We are very excited about teaming up
with Langly for the Kent Station Project. We are a local firm. We have an office in Seattle, and have
done a considerable amount of work in the south end. We are a portfolio developer,primarily,
meaning we don't generally build projects for sale. We hold our projects long term, build them with
a long-term vision, construct, develop, and title, and actually manage the properties in perpetuity
which differentiates us from a lot of the folks that we compete against. We work in a lot of different
product types. We do residential, we just completed the Saffron project up on the Sammamish
• Plateau which is a mixed use mini town center for the City of Sammamish—50,000 feet of retail, 100
apartments over an underground parking garage. We are in the final throes of completing Valley
South Corporate Park in north Sumner, which is a business park developed on the northern edge of
the Sumner city limits. We started that in 1995 and it's two million square foot park that we have put
together and built out and have kept. That project has another 400,000 feet to go and it will be
complete. We're also doing the Lakeland Hills project in Auburn up on the hill. We started that in
the summer of 1999 and that entails 3,400 homes, of which about 1,500 are multi family and 20 acres
of commercial ground. We're just underway in a grocery anchored shopping center up there now, a
school,parks, and a lot of infrastructure. It's almost building a town. We work in a lot of different
arenas and have done also a considerable amount of work with LMN Architects and are currently
working on a downtown Seattle project.
Randy Kyle—Presenting the project, it's a big vision. It's going to be a big project, a difficult
project. But given the history of the two firms that are partnering to put this project together, a very
doable project. Redmond Town Center was a project that Safeco Properties was involved for 18
years in the making. I spent I I years of my career bringing that to fruition. I think about a number
of other projects that just consumed a lot of time because the vision starts weak and you have to build
momentum and as that vision is further realized and matures, then the project begins to take on a
momentum in and of itself and becomes a reality. What we see here in Kent is the vision in place. A
very practical one. We also see a need for a project such as this in the South King County area and
we also know that many of your neighboring cities are looking at the same types of projects because,
frankly, we've been invited to look at a number of those as well and have opted not to. We've been
0 looking at this piece of property in particular for a number of years and we're very excited that we
were selected to move forward with this development. Obviously, we think we're the right team in
Tarragon and Langly, combining our expertise and bringing in element architects, who I think,
having done a number of mixed use development and having lots and lots of expertise in land use
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entitlement, are the foremost architects in the country in creating town center environments. When
. Walt and I put Redmond Town Center together, we toured the country for a year and a half and
visited some 25 centers. Town centers didn't exist as a product type or niche at that time, other than
traditional town centers, and so for us to want to take what was envisioned to be a regional mall site
and turn it back into a town center opportunity was harassing, I guess I'd say, by industry standards,
but that's in fact what we did. We took a lot of the things we learned from various projects,
successful downtowns, open air centers, some not so successful, and put together that project.
In looking at Kent, it's a big vision, a big project. As we envisioned this project over the last few
years a couple of things became readily apparent about how we'd organize the project and that is to
create a very strong linking element between the Regional Justice Center, which is now a strong
fixture in downtown Kent, and the existing downtown core, and doing that through what we call the
Grand Are. A term that was coined for the Second Avenue Extension. Instead of running that
through between Smith and James, actually bending them and extending it over to the Regional
Justice Center, and in so doing, creating some spaces that frankly from a development standpoint
aren't very efficient spaces,but from the standpoint of creating space, creating gathering places,
creating interesting urban courtyards, and such, does a very nice job and what it does is essentially
gives you view corridors into the heart of the project which we see as a community gathering place
from both 4th Avenue and from the existing downtown area from Meeker Street on.
The idea and the intent of this project is when someone in the future says, I'll meet you in downtown
Kent for a particular outing, we want them to think immediately of this location here, for very selfish
reasons. And that is because we are building a very large project with lots of retail, restaurants,
• entertainment, office and these kinds of things, and we need to create that synergistic feel to the
project. We need to bring the types of uses and people together that we know match well and create
purpose—give this project a very strong purpose in your downtown and create a true gathering place.
And that is something we learned from experience, that through regulation we've been required to
create public spaces that have no purpose, and we have found through much research, trial, and error
that you create projects like this and create very special spaces in them. Spaces are used by as few as
a couple of people gathering to as many as a couple of thousand people for maybe a Christmas
lighting event and that the space is flexible and can be used for those purposes.
Around that Grand Arc and the gathering space then, we begin to look at the types of uses that again
bring the synergistic aspects to the project, such things as restaurants and theaters. This particular
theater is talking about having a performing arts component in one of the large screening rooms
which will allow performances and then can be converted to a traditional theater during non
performance times. The idea of bringing a grocery store into the project is to, again,bring a lot of
trips into this project which is very much what we'll need in order to drive the other uses, the retail,
especially on a daily, weekly, and monthly basis. Putting housing in, orienting the housing in the
project such that it relates more to Meeker Street and the proposed TOD project to the south,having a
hotel component with a conference center, again all important aspects of the 24 hour environment.
Putting some office buildings in adjacent to the Regional Justice Center. Green River Community
College, which we have put in the heart of the project,will be in the early phase of the project on the
upper level of a two and three story office building element here with retail and uses at the base that
will support the student environment. I would have to say from our experience since we were
selected for this project in early September,we have been stunned by the response from the city. I
have never been in an environment where I not only have a city that very much likes what we do and
wants us to do that here, but is really working side by side with us in putting in the effort at a staff
level to make it happen—everything from design to surveying the nuts and bolts part of the project
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that's happening. This here was the basis upon our response to the RFP. Again, responding to your
• vision is the real key, and we think what makes these projects go is setting up a process because it is a
longer term endeavor to bring a project like this about. What we decided to do in our response to the
RFP, and we believe what weighed heavily upon the selection, was our understanding of the process
moving from the RFP,through the selection, and ultimately to the building occupancies. And it
requires a lot of refinement of the program, understanding all of the parts and pieces that go into it -
everything from infrastructure, to marketplace, costs, financial modeling, structuring and
development agreement that's a win, win for the public and private sector, so everyone is mutually
incentivized to do a project such as this, getting into the infrastructure design, infrastructure
construction, and then moving through the initial construction.
Although what we showed in our original schedule to be here where we're starting to talk about the
development agreement and getting in front of city council, we're actually back here putting together
the financial modeling and refinement of the program and the costs associated with the development.
Having said that, we think there is ample time to catch this process back up because of the things that
the city has taken on early in this process, such as infrastructure design. Very important in moving
this project forward. It's happening now so things that we were going to take 9 months to do, we're
actually in the process of doing that running in parallel, and that's one of the benefits of this
partnership so far. This contemplates permits being issued for development in February of 2003 and
construction occurring over a 9 to 18 month period with some buildings and build outs just taking
longer, some shorter, and potentially opening the first phase of the project prior to Christmas 2003. I
didn't spend a lot of time on that particular plan because that plan is continuing to be shaped. It's a
dynamic plan, dynamic process.
. Mike Martin—Public Participation Process. That's important to you. The mayor has given me
direction to make sure that we are very attentive to that. The general participation process soliciting
informal input on stuff. Whatever people think about. A more focused public solicitation comment
having to do with parks. There is a component that has to do with formal comment attendant with
some of the land use issues.
Assistant Chief Administrative Officer Dena Laurent—I don't think that you can change the heart of
a downtown without involving the community and keeping the community apprised and certainly
that's what we're hearing from council and so Mike has asked, as he talked about being very
deliberate about this process,to plan a very deliberative public outreach and public communication
process that would accompany the work that all of these people are doing. The process that we have
designed thus far addresses the portion of this work from kind of now or early next year through the
point where the city and Langly and team reach an agreement. It's kind of a chunk of the work and
time and it's a certain set of communication objectives and issues that are going on. What we
envision after carefully thinking about what kind of information people want,who the different kinds
of people are who want this information, and how they get information is a series of 2-3 open houses
that we're planning to have at Kent Station through next spring and each of those open houses will be
held in series over a whole day.
If we have an open house at the end of January, we'll have a morning session 7:30—9:00 am,
business people who open at 10 am could come to that. We're going to have a lunch session for
people who are over at the RJC or people who work downtown. People who can take a lunch to
come look and listen and we'll have an evening session for residents or other people who are not
available during the day. Kind of a 6 to 8:30 PM kind of thing. Rather than having lots of talk at
you,we believe that the people who want to know about this project need dialogue. They have
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questions, they want answers, that prompts more questions, they have ideas, they want to explore,
some of them want to talk about the park component, some of them want to talk about land use
issues, some want to talk about the overall project process, and so by bringing John's folks and Fred's
folks on land use issues and even some of the developer folks all together in one room, it will be like
a one stop information open house for people who want to learn more about this project. So that's
kind of our thinking and our approach at this point. It will be complemented by direct invitations to a
variety of stakeholder groups, a lot of general community invitations. I hope to do something web
based and also print a newsletter.
As part of those open house opportunities, people will have an opportunity to comment, fill out
comment cards, to address those specific things that we can tweak and then,where we have to have a
more deliberative public input process like a public hearing, they'll certainly be able to give those
comments at those hearings. Parks Director John Hodgson—As you're well aware, we have a
standard process for public input when we build parks and what we intend to do here is instead of
running a separate track with this particular project,we think it's best if we do it hand in hand. Dena
was talking about the open houses and part of the open house will include the park and open space.
One of the things that we want to use this open house process for is exactly what Randy said,this is
the grand urban space. This is the meet me at and everyone knows where at is and that's what we're
trying to accomplish here. There will probably be a size agreed upon before that meeting in terms of
how big it's going to be. The total use of that is still up in the air.
I think the challenge for this community is we have a real idea of what a traditional open space or a
traditional park is and this is not that. This is definitely tied to more of a retail element and it has a
. different agenda and a different purpose, yet we also believe with some of the uses down there,
especially with the colleges and what's around that community. We have a great opportunity to
enhance some of things we currently do. Randy talked about anywhere from a place where two
people or a place for a thousand or two thousand people could gather. We envision the road being
closed in certain areas so that the entire community can come in for a tree lighting or a summer
concert in the park and so we need to use the road as part of our open space. So then you look at a
traditional park and everyone thinks green and it may not have to be green. It may be a series of
different types of hardscape but yet the same purpose is being met. We want a place for people to
come down and think of a place to meet and obviously think retail, but we also want a place for
people to come and think recreation or quiet time.
Students, if this is their campus, what are they going to want? Hopefully we'll get the chance to
communicate with them as well. It will be a side by side process and one that I think the open house
opportunity lets us communicate to the community what it is and also use as an opportunity to
explain the difference between what you've seen and traditional parks in our community now. We
see a water feature (I think we both agree), an interactive water feature that may be you have people
playing but at the same time it can be turned off and the concert stage goes on top of it. A multi use
facility but I think the one we're excited about is"Meet Me At" and everyone is going to know what
that is.
Planning Services Director Fred Satterstrom—John and Dena have talked to you about the exciting
kind of meetings. I get to talk about those that are more formal and legal required. They can also
introduce input that is valuable to the final decision on a project. We're doing an Environmental
Impact Statement on this and will be coming to the city council for what's called a Planned Action
Ordinance in the next few months. What that means is that we're doing an Environmental Impact
Statement looking at what the environmental impacts of all of the Kent Station development,plus
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some peripheral development, will be. Hopefully, if we do it right, it will provide the basis for
environmental decisions into the future, such that when each leg of the project as well as some other
projects come in for environmental review, they will not each have to go through their own
environmental project. So, it will really streamline that kind of a process. During that process,
during any environmental impact statement,there is a comment period by the public. A 30 day
comment period where the public will be asked, given that this is the vision and these are the impacts,
what do you think? And have we done an adequate job of evaluating those environmental impacts?
The theory here is that they aren't just comments. They are observations and insights that people
have such that it may indeed help shape the eventual decision and some of the design work that might
be done that finely shapes the project. We will also be having public hearings on the land use permit
applications. There will be a subdivision or a plat that's applied for on this because the project will
be located on individual lots and the lot layout right now is not appropriate.
There will also be a planned unit development application that will go. These will be heard by the
hearing examiner and will be advertised. We will do our absolute best to make sure that all affected
parties are notified. I assure you that we will spend a lot of time making sure that we notify anyone
who has let us know that they are interested in the project, as well as property owners in the area, and
I assure you that you will still get a complaint that someone wasn't notified, but I do want to assure
you that that is definitely in our focus.
I think that a lot of the planning for this project has already occurred. It really started 10 or 12 years
ago when the city council adopted a new plan for downtown and it set up goals. It wanted to
pedestrianize the downtown and it was later that some design guidelines were passed by the city
. council that helped to kind of give a flavor and a vision to what the council imagined for its
downtown area. That was followed up by zoning regulations and adoption of a design review
process, and ultimately, a Downtown Strategic Action Plan three years ago. And just about a year
and a half ago a vision was put forth in a document, the Commuter Rail Station Area, The same
architects that have teamed up with Langly Properties here also helped work on that vision. You'll
notice that the site plan here is not dramatically different than that. So I think as we get into this
public comment period, what we're really doing here is kind of putting the finishing touches on a
land use and a design process that really has been going on for a long time. Some of the council
members that have been on the council for a long period of time are aware of how long that process
is. I do think, however, that the public comment we get will be very useful in tweaking that final
design and I think we're anxious for that to happen.
Mike Martin—This gets to what next sort of issues. The questions that I know many of you are
anxious to have answered are ones that I don't have answers right now. One of them is money. One
of them is time. The money question is difficult right now because we are in the process of doing a
market analysis which will confirm or have us adjust what is in this plan in terms of the types of uses
and that's going to drive cost among other things. We're going to do a sensitivity analysis,which is
going to tell us that if you shift this type of use, if you move this, the market does that, and then you
get a range of returns or range of cost. We've already started this work. It's not like it's out there.
It's very difficult and I want you to be confident in our numbers when we come to you. Right now I
don't have good numbers to bring to you so I would prefer to wait on that for just a little bit. The
schedule that Randy laid out is about as close as I think we can get right now. 1 am confident and it's
thanks to the good work of your staff out here that we're going to be there 18 months from now.
That will be when you start seeing things really come to fruition.
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In the short term, Fred mentioned that we meet weekly and discuss things. This is a task of about 20
• specific items that we discuss on a weekly basis. In the next 4 to 6 months you'll see some of these
come to conclusion. They include the infrastructure design. We have an engineer that is assigned to
the design of the streets and the infrastructure. We will see that design completed sometime in the
next 4 to 6 months and we will begin the process to figure out how we're actually going to build the
road. So we're far along in that process. Fred already mentioned that we are well down the road in
getting the Planned Action Ordinance that we need. You recently approved the hiring of a consultant
that is helping us with some of the land use and zoning issues. Those we expect to have concluded in
May. Those are part of a Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement that we are working on to
be concluded in the next 6 to 8 months. John has been working actively on defining the public space.
We've had a number of meetings about that and so that work is well under way. Come mid April or
so that work will be done. We will know what the public space will roughly be like when they phase
it. We may do a few things but we'll have that nailed down and that work will be done.
Environmental cleanup: there is an issue with Burlington Northern tracks. When I say environmental
cleanup, I don't want you to cringe. These days this is consistent with any process that you do.
Tearing down the Borden Plant, removing the Burlington Northern tracks, the Sylvestry property on
the north side of the parking structure, these all have a component involving environmental cleanup.
There is nothing frightening there. It's all very standard and we expect to have that completed in the
next 4 to 6 months. You mentioned the issue of wetland mitigation. We are currently figuring out a
strategy for off site wetland mitigation. I'm telling you that, and although I can't give you the long
game where we'll be, how much it will cost, I can give specifics at almost any moment, down to the
day or week at least, when we expect to have certain things done so there is very tangible work being
done by the staff.
This started a dozen years ago and it's been pushed along and pushed along and a lot of the work has
already been done. Downtown design for example. We have some other things that we need to do.
We think they will be done in the next 4 to 6 months and they are well in hand. When you
consolidated and the Mayor directed and you agreed that there would be a community development
department, I can't over emphasize how keen a decision that was, and the benefits of that are coming
home to roost because we have a much improved permit process now that is going to come to bear on
this process and by the time we are actually in line to be doing this stuff, you are really going to be
seeing a great benefit from that. The developer, I think, is going to be very close when they get
around to that part of the process. Likewise we are making improvements in the inspection side.
This next year will be the year of the inspector or we're going to apply the same focus to the
inspection side that we did to the permit side. You and the mayor have directed things that I think
have long been not either recognized or taken for granted. Small little pieces that by themselves
don't look like much but in the aggregate are now the reason that we're ready to launch on this
project and its trite for me to say,but I do compliment you on your vision and it's going to take a
continued vision and continued courage to go forward with this thing because it will get rocky.
These are all good people sitting here in front of you and they are smart and they are here because
they want to be here and they are dedicated to the vision that you have all established.
Councilmember Rico Yingling—Are you the project manager for this project? Mike Martin—I am
• for the time being. We will be hiring a project manager who will be for all practical purposes the
single point of contact between the developer and the liaison with the city departments. Rico
Yingling—Do you know when that's going to happen? Mike Martin—I finalized the project
description. I spoke as recently as this afternoon with Employee Services to establish that position. I
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am expecting that in the next 2-3 months. That's a very specialized position, especially in light of
this project. I am going to be talking not only to our folks but I'm actually going to ask our developer
for advice and suggestions on this.
Council President Leona Orr- On behalf of the council I want to thank everyone that came here
tonight and some of us have met you previously and had discussions and what not. I continue to be
very impressed with everything that you are bringing forward and all of the groundwork that's going
on.
Councilmember Judy Woods-Mike, I think it would be helpful in addition to Dena's web page and
mailers that, as appropriate, on camera there be updates so that whether it's for meetings or as the
plan becomes more solidified, that the community have an idea of what, visually if it's possible,
kinds of things are coming down the pike and what kinds of timelines we are looking at. It's, as we
know, important for them to understand that something is happening. Councilmember Connie
Epperly-Over at the library they have the entrance there to put a model or something up there. A lot
of the public gets in there. It's close to the project.
Mike Martin- I'll ask for direction on when and how but I had envisioned coming to you on a
regular basis on camera because I think there are a lot people who watch this on cable and tell you
where we're at,the problems we're having, the advice. The sort of relationship that we're cultivating
with our developer, Langly Properties and their partners is different than the sort of relationship that
I'm typically used to having with either vendors or contractors and it's been very gratifying to me
that instead of posturing or trying to do what you normally do in this situation is to say okay, let's
agree on the numbers and it saved a whole bunch of time and it's frankly made this process very
enjoyable and invigorating. It's been so far, so good.
The workshop adjourned at 5:57 PM.
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