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CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION
MINUTES
Thursday, September 16, 1993 at 4:00 p.m.
Members present: Ron Forest
Callius Zaratkiewicz
Scheduling conflict: Raul Ramos
Others present: Fire Chief Angelo, Firefighter Rideout, Police Chief Crawford,
Chief Administrative Officer-Tony McCarthy,Lt Mitchell,Officer
Britton,C/A Lubovich,Sue Viseth-Human Resource Analyst,Lt.
Shepard,David Santos-Evidence Technician,A/C Berg, others
present.
Chairman Forest called the meeting to order at 4:04 p.m.
1. COMMISSION BUSINESS: None.
11. REPORTS
Assistant City Attorney, David Haenel- No report
Fire Chief, Norm Angelo - The three recruits at the Academy are doing well and
should be out in about two weeks.
Police Chief, Ed Crawford - No report
Human Resource Analyst, Sue Viseth- No report
Ill. HEARINGS None.
IV. OLD BUSINESS
Chairman Forest motioned to approve the minutes from the August 19, 1993 Civil Service
Commission Meeting. Seconded and carried.
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He then gave an update of what had transpired leading up to the,Resolution as reflected
in prior Civil Services Minutes and reiterated that the organization structure remain the
same, with three Assistant Chiefs.
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Assistant C/A Haenal asked if Commissioner Zaratkiewicz had any opinions, comments or
statements he'd like to add. Commissioner Zaratkiewicz stated that he agreed with
Chairman Forest.
Mr.McCarthy stated that he thought that he should present an Administration Report on the
issue for the record. He referred to the report packet addressed later in the Agenda
referring to Fire Department Staffing.
Mr. McCarthy: "On May 18th City Council passed a Resolution 1348. tt was aimed at
getting the City to a one stop Permit Center which is something that the City had long been
desirous of doing. As a part of that Resolution and the packet that night, there was an
Organizational Chart included in there that was marked up in this fashion. It basically said
that the Code Enforcement Division basically had two sections. One Building, one Fire
Marshall and then there were support people who supported both of them.
This particular chart looked at taking the Fire Prevention group and some of the support
people and combining them with the Training and Support Division which had a vacant
Assistant Chief slot because that Assistant Chief had moved onto another position working
on radios for the entire Southern part of the County through Valley Communications. So
this was the plan that was to be implemented.
Chairman Forest: "We had that information".
Mr. McCarthy: "When you discussed it in Executive Session? Okay.'
Chairman Forest: "I had that for the investigation, in fact I got that from you during my
investigation."
Mr. McCarthy: 'The second page looked at some Fire Department Staffing including this
year and had shown the growth in staffing over that period of time when the City had grown
quite a bit and the staffing of the department as a whole increased from 118 to 143. ft had
been down in the last couple of years because of budget cutbacks and that sort of thing.
The staffing with the Development Services out of the equation showed a staffing of about
134 because there were about 91/2 equivalent positions that were in Development Services.
So that 134 level kind of equates to where we were in 1989 with 129 or 1990 with 146 or
somewhere in that ballpark. At that time we had two Assistant Chiefs. During that time and
since then the Assistant Chief in the Training had been spending a lot of his time in the
radio and MDT area and actually had been part of the process with negotiating with Valley
Communications to buy some of the Cl y's Radio systems. As a part of the process he did
some analysis he did some analysis of the time he had spent and prepared a worksheet that
is included in there that convinced Valley Communications that..
Chairman Forest: "We took that into consideration. We had that information.'
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Mr. McCarthy: "it looked like, at least from the time span, and I know this individual put in
a lot of long hours, a lot of us work a lot of long hours. It looked like from that that maybe
almost a 100% of his total salary dollar was charged to the radio project.
We also did comparisons with other Cities and we know our Fire Department is not a Fire
Department for a City of 40,000. it looks like a Fire Department for more like a city of
100,000, similar to Bellevue and Federal Way. Its even bigger than the Renton group. But
we looked at the staffing there and Bellevue had two Assistant Chiefs and Renton had two
Assistant Chiefs or Deputy Chiefs. Federal Way had four and we felt that based on that
analysis and the consolidation that we were doing. There were going to,be less people in
the organization than we had before. We feel like two Assistant Chiefs is what is needed
in that department with the downsizing that is going on everywhere else6 I just wanted to
put that into the report and say that as we prepare the 1994 budget,Administration will be
looking to delete one of those Assistant Chiefs positions. Thank you."
Chairman Forest: 'Thank you, Tony."
Chief Angelo stated that he appreciated Mr. McCarthy's view on the matter. "1 think that if
you considered all the facts that are in there. Since we are on the record I think that its
important to review a couple of things.
When A/C Kerns did leave, one way for us to account for selling the system was not to
account for every little detail but then to proportionately show tl*ngs. I think that Mr.
McCarthy was correct. A great deal of his time was spent there. However,to accomplish
that,what had to take place was a lot of the people had to temporarily take up some slack.
A lot of programs got put on hold. During that same period of time a lot of requirements
from the State and other places started coming up. In addition, some of the basic safety
requirements that are required in training are very important. One other point that relates
back to the number of Chiefs in other departments. We looked at different classifications
there. Those other departments also have Chief Officers that are in charge of that and
other officers that are assigned on either permanent or rotation basis that allow for some
continuity. That is really my basic concern.
Also, prior to the Resolution that the Council passed, I had requested-that that position be
filled. What we are doing in this process is going through a series of processes for the last
year or so to figure out what possibilities might be there and what-night happen. I think
that much as you concluded in your review and report I feel ver7,*V0ngly that it is very
critical to have a Chief Officer in that position. Subsequently, prior to Pis, abort a year or
so ago, and also recently to Mr. McCarthy,) related some alternatives that might assist us
in getting there. Unfortunately there are a couple of other labor issues that are better suited
for another spot that may interplay with some of this.
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My bottom line consideration and concern Is even with 134 people,those people must be
adequately trained. Even more important, as the number of people go down, it becomes
even more and more critical that the basic,the additionally required training,the certification
take place. Without that we're putting people out there in a very unsafe environment and
we're not arming them with the tools they need to accomplish the tasks that they are
accomplishing. Therefore, our appreciation. 1 want to thank you for your findings.
understand perfectly well the different perceptions on this. I do in my heart, honestly
believe that the right way to go is to fill as originally we thought was asked, filling that
position so that we can go forward and conduct the necessary training to keep people out
in the field.
The only other comment 1 have was that on last weeks Resolution 1 noticed that one of the
Assistant Chiefs position was referred to as being assigned I think as Administration. In
actuality that person has Fire Suppression and some apparatus maintenance responsibility.
He does get covered in the Administration budget but the Division he's responsible for is
the Suppression Division.'
Chairman Forest: 'Yes, Dave took care of It. Anyone else? Fire Union?
Lt. Shepard: 'No, Mr. Chairman'.
Chairman Forest entertained the motion to Accept. Commissioner Zaratkiewicz motioned
to ACCEPT INTO RECORD. Seconded and carried.
The Chief Examiner questioned If they were accepting into record the amended Resolution.
Assistant C/A Haenel then stated that he had provided the amended Resolution that
changed the third Assistant Fire Chief to Fire Suppression/Administration which coincides
with the 1993 Fire Department Organization Chart which the Commission will be referring
to and entering into record.
Chairman Forest OPENED FOR DISCUSSION the appeal to the 10-key adding machine
portion of the Accounting Services Assistant 11 selection process.
A/C Haenel: 'At the last meeting the Commission requested me to conduct an investigation
with regards to alleged problems with the 10-key that was used in the testing for the
Accounting Services Assistant 11 position.
conducted that investigation using a city employee who is unrelated to Civil Service and
the Police Department. That employee tested the machine and determined that, although
it was somewhat old, it had no operational defects and basically worked fine.
We are back to the situation where the original list needs to be certified."
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Chairman Forest: 'The appellants have been notified?'
Chief Examiner: 'Yes
Chairman Forest: "We haven't heard beck from them?'
Chief Examiner: "No.'
Chairman Forest: "We acted on that last time, did we not?'
Chief Examiner: 'What wasn't stated was that if the findings on the:ten-key were all right,
that the fist would then be certified. Therefore you would need to certify the list.'
Commissioner ZaratkiewiQ motioned to certify the list that was eatiiiblished on August 10,
1993. Seconded and carried.
V. NEW BUSINESS
Chairman Forest motioned to ACCEPT INTO RECORD the letter August 19,1993 from
Chief Crawford to Tye A. Holand confirming his appointment as.;er,,probationary Police
Officer effective August 19, 1993. Seconded and carried.
Chairman Forest motioned to ACCEPT INTO RECORD the memo,dated August 20, 1993
from Assistant City Attorney David Haenel to Catherine Guiguet',rigarding the Appeal
Request to the 10-key Adding Machine used in the Accounting Servek=Asssidtant II testing
process. Seconded and carried.
Chairman Forest motioned to ACCEPT INTO RECORD the memo dated August 23, 1993
from the Civil.Service Examiner notifying each person appealing the Accounting Services
Assistant 11 10-key adding machine, of the results of the investigation of said machine.
Seconded and carried.
Chairman Forest motioned to ACCEPT INTO RECORD the letter date dl,,Mgust 25,1993 from
Chief Crawford to Officer Susan Tourtlotte notifying her of her succoWul completion of her
probationary period effective August 24, 1993. Seconded and car
Chairman Forest OPENED FOR DISCUSSION the letter dated -64plon4er 7, 1993 from
Evidence Technician David Santos appealing his reclassification dl6on.
C/A Haenel: 01 can provide some background. I believe Dave Sari submitted a letter to
the Commission. First and foremost this is the proper form for deWriviination of his appeal
under the Civil Service Rules and RCW's. The next step is that the Commission has to
decide if they want to hear his appeal. If so, we can set the Appent,forl,the next meeting.
We would then accept the letter into record'
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Chief Crawford: "I've talked to Mr. Santos and because of my lack of being able to
communicate appropriately to Civil Service as well as to Human Resources. If there is any
opportunity to put this over until next month, as long as he doesn't run out of the appeal
time, he would be willing to put it over until next month so that i can communicate
appropriately with Civil Service support staff as well as` Human Resources. I would
appreciate this. I've discussed this with Mr. Santos."
Chief Crawford was advised that Mr. Santos request for appeal had been entered into
record within the required time period and therefore there were no longer any time
constraints.
Chairman Forest then tabled the item until the October 21 st meeting.
The Civil Service Examiner questioned if that meant that the Appeal would be heard at the
October meeting or that the findings would be presented at that time.
Chairman Forest stated that they would make the decision whether or not to hear the
Appeal at that time.
C/A Lubovich: "My understanding is that it is an Appeal to the Civil Service Commission and
that Human Resources has denied the Reclassification and it is also my understanding that
the Chief has approved it. I don't want to speak for him, but the point is that there is some
confusion as to who and what department has a role in reclasses. This has been going on
and on for some time. I just want to make sure that its clear and that we all understand that
under the Rules, the Chief of the department. The Police Chief In this case,.and the Civil
Service Commission has to approve a reclass. The question is what happens with the effect
of Human Resources denial of a reclass and thats still not clear. I've been researching
today to see who has what authority. The upshot of the whole thing is that no reclass is
effective until Council approves it, because its a budget item. You're changing a salary or
position."
Chairman Forest: "Until City Council approves it."
C/A Lubovich: "Right, until City Council eventually approves it."
Chief Examiner Guiguet: "1'd like to clarify that we did have a meeting regarding
reclassification and where It sits. The outcome was that due to the fact that the Civil
Service cannot approve a reclass due to the fact that they would hear the Appeal. The
understanding from that meeting was that I would do the initial reclass and would either
recommend approval or not and then send the findings to Human Resource if I approved.
f would then go to Mr. Olson and he would either approve or disapprove. It he
disapproved, then the person under Civil Service Rules, has the right to come before the
Civil Service Commission and appeal the decision of Human Resource. That was worked
out due to the fact that we were having so many problems with that. That is the system we
have in place at this time."
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C/A Lubovich: 'Okay,so what we'll be doing at the next meeting is determining whether or
not to have an Appeal from the reclass determination forwarded from Human Resources.'
Chairman Forest: "If we want to accept the Appeal."
C/A Lubovich: 'The Appeal has been filed. Whether or not you're going to go act on it
you'll decide at the next meeting. Whether you'll act on the Appeal from Human
Resources.'
Chairman Forest: 'We'll hear from all parties next month and make a determination
Sue Viseth, H.R. Analyst: 'If 1 may speak for just a moment. I am from Human Resources
and conducted the analysis after Catherine submitted her report. I think something that is
important to keep clear is that we're talking about classification, appropriate classification
of a position. I think that what you have the authority, correct me If I'm wrong, Roger. Is
to determine if indeed the Evidence Technician is appropriately classified which has nothing
to do with salary at that point. That's what I want to make clear. I do have additional
information to submit to the Commission. I don't know if this is the appropriate time.'
C/A Lubovich: 'If I can add to that. Two comments real quick. That was the point that
was to get earlier was that the Commission will hear the Appeal and make a determination,
but the salary does have to go to Council for an adjustment.'
H.R. Analyst Viseth: 'But the point is that it doesn't always mean that there is going to be
a salary adjustment because someone is reclassified. You will need to determine whether
or not indeed Mr.Santos is an Evidence Technician and fits into that classification. I go one
step further and do a Market Analysis to determine if we're paying at the market rate for
that and then 1 also do an Internal Equity Analysis to determine where that falls within the
City. Thats the additional information that 1 have. My concern is, am I supposed to provide
that information to the Commission or not?'
C/A Lubovich: "What I've asked Assistant C/A Haenel earlier was should we gather the
information,the application, the denials, whatnot and introduce them for the record. That
its on record at least to what we've got today so that everybody knows whos involved,what
the issues are,so that at the next meeting all appropriate parties can be present to discuss
the matter before the Commission. I'd ask that the denials and whatever paperwork we
have on it be introduced today if possible so that its on the record.'
Chairman Forest: "Let me ask you just one question. Is that position represented by the
Police Union?"
H.R.Analyst Viseth: No, it is not Its a non-represented position,its not uniformed officer,
corrections.'
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Chief Crawford then reiterated his request that the item be tabled for one month without a
lot of data. He stated that the data might not be needed at all. To try and resolve the
issues informally, before coming back formally to the Commission at the next meeting.
Chairman Forest motioned to table the Santos request for Appeal until the October 21 st
meeting. Seconded and carried.
Chairman Forest motioned to ACCEPT INTO RECORD the Report from Mr.Tony McCarthy
on Fire Department staffing. Seconded and carried.
Chairman Forest: 'If there is no other business we will adjourn
Chief Angelo questioned If the Resolution had been entered into Record?
The Resolution was Identified as Number 1.
Commissioner Zaratkiewicz motioned to approve and accept Resolution#1 into the Record.
Seconded and Carried.
Chairman Forest: 'No other business has come before the Commission, we will adjourn.
The meeting was adjourned at 4:30 p.m.
The next Civil Service Meeting will be held on Thursday, October 21, 1993 at 8:00 a.m. in
Council Chambers West.
Respectfully submitted,
Catherine M. Guiguet,
Secretary & Chief Examiner
Approved:
Ron Forest, Chairman
,I
RESOLUTION NO. 1
A RESOLUTION of the Civil
Service Commission of the City of
Kent, Washington, recommending to
the Kent City Council that the Kent
Fire Department be restructured.
WHEREAS, the City of Kent Civil Service Commission was
requested by Local 1747 International Association of Fire
fighters (I.A.F.F. ) to investigate the current organizational
structure of the Kent Fire Department; and
WHEREAS, the City of Kent Civil Service Commission
Chairman, Ron Forest conducted an investigation of the
organizational structure of the Kent Fire Department; NOW,
THEREFORE,
THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION OF THE CITY -OF KENT,
WASHINGTON, DOES HEREBY RESOLVE AS FOLLOWS:
That the Civil Service commission of the, C,ity of Kent
recommends to the Kent City Council that the organizational
structure of the Kent Fire Department be reorganized, and that an
Assistant Fire Chief be assigned to oversee Fire Prevention, that
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a second Assistant Fire Chief be assigned to oversee Training and
Support, and finally that a third Assistant Fire Chief be
assigned to oversee Fire Suppression/Administration.
Passed at a regular meeting of the' City of Kent Civil
Sery Commission, 16th day of September, 1993 .
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COMMISSIONER
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COMMISSIONER
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Catherine Guiget
Chief Examiner/Civil Service Secretary
APPROVED AS TO FORM:
�.AVIDHAENEL, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY
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