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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCity Council Committees - Public Works/Planning - 11/05/1991 Y r CITY CL3CRK PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTIE'E' NOVEMBER 5, 1991 PRESENT: JIM WHITE CAROL MORRIS, LEONA ORR TONY MCCARTHY STEVE DOWELL JOHN BOND DON WICKSTROM TIM HEYDON TOM BRUBAKER JACK SPEN40ER GARY GILL Bill Doolittle, Russ Stringham, Mr. and Mr. Jim � Rust, Don Rust, Mike Spence, Brian Lawler, Mike Pintar, Jean Parietti Street Lights at The Lakes Jim White stated he had received a petition regarding; j3treet lights at The Lakes. Apparently some are not working. :He indicated he would be giving the petition to Don Wickstrom and i%ked that staff look into the problem. Fee Schedule - Street Occupy on Ordinance Wickstrom explained that the schedule of fees incVUdes a "no fee" recommendation for real estate signs in keeping With the Mayor's request. Leona Orr said she doesn't have a concern about no fee for them but was wondering about the ,legality of thope Signs on the sidewalks. She said she had noticed in three different locations within the city limits real estate signs that-w%*re completely blocking the sidewalk access. She questioned it We would be condoning such actions. Carol Morris responded th*t'tbay would not be exempt from the requirements of the ordinance;,w4iph gives the Director authority to tell them where they can plane the signs. They shouldn't be blocking sidewalks. Orr Red if City personnel would still have authority to pick up :tfi4,.'signs if they were illegally placed. Morris confirmed it would not dive the real estate industry carte blanche to put signs wherever they wanted. Morris added that we can not regulate signs as to content in the ordinance. Political signs would be allowed in the right of way if they obtained the required permit and paid tfees. Bill Doolittle questioned if real estate signs include4,Ithe signs used by apartment complexes to advertise their unit av".4a,bilities. He also questioned the fee for garage sale signs. Orr. goncurred and , added that the garage sale signs are usually up only, for a weekend and it is unrealistic to expect them to pay $75-for; a ;permit. She continued that many garage sales don't even Z4ke $75. She recommended the fee for garage sale signs be eliminated. Morris clarified that removing the reference of garage sale signs in the resolution would prohibit them from being in- the right of way and Public Works Committee November 5, 1991 Page 2 that would give staff authority to remove them if they are illegally placed. Simply removing the fee would mean that they are allowed and would still need to apply for a permit. It was determined that the garage sale signs would be removed from the resolution. Dowell referred again to the reasoning for exempting real estate signs from a fee. He continued that he felt the ordinance creates a situation impossible to police. He commented that he felt the ordinance has a lot of holes in it. Now signs are allowed on public property but they are not allowed on private- property. He suggested that the ordinance and fees be eliminated entirely. Morris commented that the ordinance covers a lot more than just signs - house moving, etc. She added that if they wished to amend the ordinance regarding signs that was possible. Don Rust stated he was going to continue to work with the Planning Committee to change the ordinance concerning signs on private property. Jim White questioned whether we needed fees on any of permits. It was determined that the permit fees were established `-,to' cover the administrative costs of issuing the permit and enforcement of same. Wickstrom suggested a $75 permit fee per each real estate office which would provide them with "stickers" for up to a certain number of signs. It was further suggested that if the read. --estate office wished to permit more than the initial number of signs, they could purchase stickers for the additional number of sighs 'at the City's cost to produce the stickers. Mike Spence stated that the real estate brokers did not have a problem with a yearly fde per office. Their major concerns were the $5.00 per sign and the process for getting a permit. Leona Orr Is motion was to eliminate yard, moving and garage sale signs and to charge a $75 per office;hermit fee for real estate signs which would entitle them up" to - 10 signs. Stickers for additional real estate signs would be, a .ilable at the City's cost to produce the stickers. After discus0icn, the motion was further amended to allow up to two signs for� tbe, $75 fee for portable signs. The Committee unanimously approve&Ithe motion. MCI Franchise Carol Morris explained the draft franchise ordliaZice has been negotiated between MCI and the City to allow MCI!, ter place their fiber optic cable in the city's right of way. Sho;.06htinued that because MCI is a telephone company, they are exempt!"#= paying any annual franchise fee. MCI had previously been constructing their facilities under a right of way permit. The Committee, "unanimously recommended approval. 1 V I 1. Public Works Committee ,- November 5, 1991 Page 3 Surplus Vehicles Jim White expressed concerns about surplusing vehicles with only 85,000 miles. He asked if there were maintenance problems. Tim Heydon explained that it is hard on vehicles to 4ave .a number of drivers. Some of the vehicles have been used as construction vehicles and have experienced a lot of hard wear.; Jack Spencer explained• that the on-going maintenance of these vehicles is more than they are worth. Tim Heydon explained that mileage is not the only element to determine if a car should be surplused or not. Many of these run 24 hours a day so have a lot of hours on the engine and go through several drivers each day. Tt was explained they would be sold at the State auction. occasionally, if we are purchasing other vehicles, we have been able to use a surplus vehicle as a trade-in. Bill Doolittle asked how much some of these vehicles might be worth. Tim Heydon replied that we have previously gotten good value for the vehicles at the auction. He offered to review previous auction results with Mr.' Doolittle. Mr. Doolittle suggesting rebuilding some of the old police cars and putting them back into the fleet. Jack Spencer added that the cost of a new transmission is about $7-800 and a new computer for the pollution control would run about the same. Don W'ickstrom added that we are short a mechanic now so the daily maintenance is hard to keep up with and we certainly would not have suffi.c'ient manpower to start rebuilding vehicles to keep them in the fleet. The Committee unanimously recommended approval to surplus the vehicles. Drainage Problem - Charles Tiffany Leona Orr inquired about the drainage problem that the Tiffany's have reported. She indicated that she had suggested to the Tiffany's that she would bring it before the Committee. Gary Gill explained that the City's survey crew is scheduled to do a topographic survey along the road to determine if McCann's proposal will solve the problem. McCann has worked with. the Planning Department and since his business has been in operation since 1955 it has been grandfathered in. A fence has been ;installed which defines the area that is allowed for the topya6il operation. Anything outside that would require a separate , Vade and fill permit. Jim White asked if Gary would be ablik to bring some . proposed solutions to the Committee at their next`4ting.