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CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES
February 15, 1996
Members Present: Mike Pattison
Ron Banister
Scheduling Conflict: Callius Zaratkiewicz
Others Present: Lt. Shepard, Acting Assistant Chief Robertson, Chief Angelo, Human
Resources Director- Sue Viseth, B/C Scott, Lt. Cline, Chief Crawford,
Captain J. Miller, Police Evidence Technician- Dave Santos, others
present.
Chair Pattison called the meeting to order at 8:00 a.m.
I. COMMISSION BUSINESS:
II. HEARINGS
III. OLD BUSINESS
A. Accept into Record
• 1. Chair Pattison moved to approve and accept into record the minutes from the January
18, 1996 Civil Service Commission Meeting. Seconded and carried.
IV. NEW BUSINESS
A. Approval and Accept into Record
1. Chair Pattison moved to approve and accept into record the memo dated January 1,
1996 from Chief Crawford announcing the promotion of Sergeant Robert Holt to the
position of Lieutenant effective February 15, 1996. Seconded and carried.
2. Chair Pattison moved to approve and accept into record the memo dated January 26,
1996 to Corrections Sergeant Timothy W. Lontz notifying him of his successful
completion of his probationary period effective January 26, 1996. Seconded and
carried.
3. Chair Pattison moved to approve and accept into record the memo dated February 1,
1996 to Corrections Officer Harvey D. Wenderski notifying him of his successful
completion of his probationary period effective February 1, 1996. Seconded and
carried.
4. Chair Pattison moved to approve and accept into record the Certification letter dated
February 1, 1996 from the Civil Service Examiner establishing the Eligibility List for
Police Accounting Services Assistant. Seconded and carried.
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5. Chair Pattison moved to approve and accept into record the Certified letters dated
February 12, 1996 from the Civil Service Examiner to Marc A. Marcroft and Cherie L.
Harris acknowledging their employment with other Police Agencies and notifying them
of their removal from the Lateral Police Officers Eligibility List.
B. Action Items for Discussion
1. Chair Pattison opened for discussion the memo dated January 16, 1996 from B/C Mike
Scott requesting extension of the Fire Lieutenants Eligibility list to December 1, 1996
and the Fire Battalion Chiefs Eligibility List to October 19, 1996. This is the maximum
extension for both lists.
The Civil Service Chief Examiner stated that if the Commission extended the
promotional lists that they would then be in effect for the full eighteen months allowed.
Commissioner Banister moved to extend the Eligibility Lists as requested. Seconded
and carried.
2. Chair Pattison opened for discussion the memo dated February 6, 1996 from Fire Chief
• Norm Angelo requesting authority to give an Assistant Fire Chiefs promotional exam
open to both inside and outside candidates.
Chief Angelo: "A little bit of background on this. As you are aware we were hoping that
Assistant Chief Kerns would be returning from a temporary assignment with King County and
Valley Comm. We found out late in December, officially in early January that he had accepted
a position with the County. While we are very supportive of him and will miss him, it puts us in
a bit of a dilemma obviously. Thereby a rather limited amount of time to filter the information, to
know what we had to do about getting the test and getting ready.
The Department is in a significant positional transition. Assistant Chief Berg is planning to retire
approximately the first of August, he is our Assistant Senior Chief with a great deal of
experience. We have other people also who are nearing that position where they are able to
retire and taking their experience with them. We have a very talented and very capable, young
department. They work very hard. We've got a lot of talented people inside. So for me, this is
a tremendous struggle inside myself just to determine and suggest something like this. I had
multiple meetings with many of our Battalion Chiefs. Some one time, others multiple times to
determine whether there was an interest in the Assistant Chiefs position as it came forward.
Twice in the past the department has promoted from the position of Lieutenant to Assistant
Chief. One time was about fourteen years ago in which time the department with respect to its
overall operations was somewhat less sophisticated. The last time was Assistant Chief Kerns
about seven or eight years ago. Through his assignments to the projects and everything he
never got a chance to fully integrate. He had a unique background with respect to a broad base
• of government experience and a leadership program and some other areas that made it
practical at that time to approach from a Lieutenants level.
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1 think that we have many Lieutenant's who are capable of becoming leaders and Chief Officers
at the Chief Officer level. But there is limited experience in that area. Currently,the
department is dealing with several major, major issues that will determine a great deal of its
future and its direction for the over fifty years to come. Its important for just the physical things
that have to be done, the number of issues that have to be dealt with, but also the level of the
relationships that we have an individual who indeed has not only the educational background.
But I'm more interested in the values and the experience level to be able to pull this together
and move the department forward while individuals are acclimating to new roles.
So., we looked around and one question was asked of me was maybe we should go back and
change the Civil Service Rules for qualifications. I thought about that. The only message I
want to send to my department is that I do believe that there are qualified people inside. I do
not believe that I have a sufficient pool of experienced and ready people inside at this time. It is
my intent, I've talked to and am aware of at least two individuals who will likely apply. It is my
intent that I have not got my mind locked into going outside or locked into staying inside. But
rather looking at a legitimate pool of people who will allow me then to have this department go
forward and develop the other officers and bring them along so that in the future this will be an
exception rather than a trend in the department. I think it is very very important. I sent a letter
to the Department. I try to keep them informed of several meetings and let them know that
• Chief Kern was contemplating the decision, as soon as he made his decision and with his
permission, I made known to others in the department his decision. After that I reflected to find
out what was going to happen with Chief Berg and some other individuals in the department
where there might be a willingness, and it is my sense that at that time I let them know that I felt
that I had to come to this Commission to ask for permission to go for an outside test to include
inside and outside candidates.
I'd like to pause here for a moment and if it is acceptable to consider this, then go forward and
explain some of the type of testing we would be requesting and answer any questions you may
have, or concerns."
Chair Pattison: "Yes, I'd like to get as much information as possible."
Commissioner Banister: "Yes".
Chief Angelo: "What we would be proposing to do is if its open to both inside and outside
candidates I would be giving Catherine a list of things we wanted so that it would be easier to
follow because you can't make notes now.
We would recommend hiring an outside consultant, Mr. Joiner and Associates, who has
conducted a number of Assessment Centers and Labs throughout the area, throughout the
profession. I submit to Catherine and yourselves a copy of his background and experience in
doing that. We have had some experience, A/C Aldridge has served as an assessor on labs
with Mr. Joiner. He is exceptional. His training is also. We would see that each applicant
• would have to fill out an application, a resume with a cover sheet and also some questions that
would give some background or a better way to screen or evaluate different individuals
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experience in the areas that we believe are key issues that we're facing in the department.
We would then see, basically, a full Assessment Center, not unlike we've seen in the past.
Perhaps one difference would be that in the past we've used the term of an Oral Resume. In
that Oral Resume the evaluators have some knowledge or experience with the individuals in
front of them and its run differently than an Oral Board. If that type of an element were included
by Mr. Joiner I would see that being more a traditional Oral Board where an exchange of
information in conversation took place. Obviously you could have both inside and outside
candidates and there is no way for a person to know outside candidates to evaluate the content
of something that they had put into their resume. It would give them that same opportunity for
somebody to exchange information regarding dealing with the Assistant Chief command level
step tactics and strategy, interpersonal relations, community relations. All those type of things
would be very important.
After that we would see Background Checks, Psychological Exam and Medical Exam. I would
then check with the City Attorney, I haven't had that opportunity yet, to determine whether or
not is appropriate or allowed to give some kind of a polygraph test. Particularly for those people
who may be concerned about an outside candidate who may or may not fit in.
• After that I would see a Chiefs interview and further background in large extent to determine a
persons organizational style, their professional values, their successful ability to implement
some of the things that they may possess in education or past experience. To make sure that
we get the best overall candidate.
Obviously there are some advantages when people are local. You can get additional
information and it will be a little easier. I think that this test and this process is so important it
caused me to risk coming to this Commission to ask for an outside test. There is a lot of pride
in our department. There is a lot of belief on my part in our people. But, I don't have the luxury
of just sitting back and feeling good about my people. I've got to look at the total organization
and where its going.
For me this type of an Assessment Center, this complete background and the interviews is
essential not only for the department itself but I think the members within the department to
know that whether it be an inside or an outside candidate, that indeed the individual we chose
went through some legitimate, rigorous testing to be able to qualify for. I think that this is a
significant issue for the department and its important that they be able to see that it isn't just a
kind of pass."
Chair Pattison: "Do you have anything else?"
Chief Angelo: "Just any questions you might have."
Commissioner Banister: "Do you have a number of people within who are eligible for this
promotion?
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Chief Angelo: "Actually the rules state at this time that any Lieutenant with two years as a
Lieutenant is eligible to apply. There may be more but there are at least two Battalion Chiefs.
One has said for sure they will apply the other is reasonably sure that he would apply for the
test. The rest of them, obviously, until applications come in there is no way to tell. There was
one Lieutenant who approached me and said that he was indeed interested and wondered if it
would be worth trying. I told him that he had every right to apply and that he could do what he
wanted to. He definitely has talent and I think he has potential. I suggested that he spend
some time with the Provisional Assistant Chief to get a better handle on what was involved
because it is a significant, major jump at this point in time given our organizations operations
and level of sophistication. So I asked him to be honest with himself and try to find out about
the position then make whatever decision he choose. I haven't heard back from him so I don't
know what his intentions are."
Commissioner Banister: "But it doesn't sound like there is an abundance of people within that
will be applying?"
Chief Angelo: "There could be for a variety of reasons. I don't have a number for you. I have
to be candid with you I can just be real cautious. The fact of the matter is that I sat back and I
think that we have people of Lieutenants rank who would make great Chief Officers and even
. be competitive for Assistant Chief Officers position at some point. I don't have sufficient
information to believe that we have somebody now that can make that great of a leap and at
the same time meet the needs of the organization. I believe that there are many that can make
the leap, but the question comes--What does it cost the organization in view of the broader
base issues and be able to move forward. "
Police Lt Cline: "I have a couple of questions. First, if Catherine has an idea of the raw
numbers of how many people are eligible for this promotional opportunity?" .
Chief Examiner Guiguet referred the question to the Fire Department for a more exact figure.
Chief Angelo: "Probably somewhere between twenty-nine and thirty some odd people if
everyone wanted to apply. I have already spoken to two Battalion Chiefs and two Lieutenants
who said they definitely would not apply because they feel that this is not the time, that maybe
its in their future but not at this point in time. So that it would be less than that number."
Chief Examiner Guiguet: "But has anything been given out to the Lieutenants? I hear you
saying that you approached the B/C's, but have all the Lieutenants been informed? I haven't
been asked to do anything with regards to this, this was just brought to me the day before
yesterday."
Chief Angelo: "The whole department is aware of the potential the test coming up. The whole
department is aware of the need to be able to approach this position at a level that is geared for
moving forward and not having a small transition period to get into it. But as far as I'm aware
there is no list come back from them to say theres ten or fifteen people. I could do that and
produce a number. My concern is that you have the number. The reality is that the level of
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experience, the level of readiness is the major issue. And that the issue upon which I think it
has to be considered on."
Lt. Cline: "Obviously I don't know the qualifications of the personnel involved. It seems like the
number of bodies on the face of it would be a sufficient number of people. I'm wondering if
maybe like the other positions we've done in the City where we offer it first inside and then if the
Chief doesn't find sufficient qualified candidates then maybe then open it up to the outside."
Chief Angelo: "I think its an interesting concept but in order to go any further does that mean
that we give a test to determine qualified or not qualified? I think at some point the department
has to be able evaluate the level of experience and exposure. The Civil Service Rule is that it
is, I guess it would be, a year ago when I saw the outside potential of this thing happening to
come back to change that and modify that. I chose to leave it open because I believe there
may be those rare cases where there may be someone, one or two people who can make that
leap.
The last time we gave an Assistant Chief test, I'd have to go back and check the exact number,
but there were not twenty people who applied for that. There were a couple of B/C's, perhaps
one or two Lieutenant's. I didn't see twenty sifting there. I think that in all candidness that you
• could send out and ask the question and people might come back and say, 'yes I will take the
test'. I was more concerned whether they were taking the test because they feel they're ready
to take the position versus they feel that they're ready to take a test to learn about the test and
more about the position itself.
My concern is that the departments in the position right now--I wish I had a years worth of
notice that this was going to happen and that perhaps Chief Berg was not going to leave for
another year and a half, then I think that there is a whole lot of time to really act with this. The
department will have to reorganize. We're going to have to shift some of the assignments and
that means that we'll need to do this in a timely fashion. These decisions impact other things in
the department such as assignments that--I hate to be small and petty about it—but it is
important. Vacations are picked in November for this. If there is a delay in the process or if
there are repeated processes to go through then there may very well can be some long term
impacts like not being able to fill the position in time to make those transitions. I think that
would have an important, significant impact on department operations.
I don't take this lightly. I think its very important and I mention them to lay some weight on the
fact that our people inside deserve consideration and they definitely deserve the opportunity. At
the same time I believe they're very competitive in many ways. I don't think that the people that
they chose will be unfairly treated or unable to compete. They're very competitive. At the other
hand, I think it has been shown and Chief Kerns recently went through this also. Competing
with others from outside and coming out the winner it validates all the more the quality. I
believe that there is that potential in a couple of the candidates that may apply from within. I
think that to just go through a numbers game and ignore my responsibility to get a group of not
• just numbers but candidates that are ready to move into that role would not be leading on my
part. I would be ducking responsibility."
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Lt. Cline: "I should clarify that I really don't have any objection to what Chief Angelo is trying to
do with his department. Obviously I'm not hearing a lot of discussion from people in the Fire
Department. What I am concerned is that this might possibly be setting some precedents for
Civil Service at large. It might affect Police promotionals in the future. Thats my main concern.
If it is determined that the pool of twenty people is not sufficient for promotional examination,
that might change the structure of how promotions are conducted in the Police Department, and
that does raise a concern on my part."
Chief Angelo: "I want to remain sensitive. It is not our intent to set policy for the Commission or
the Police Department. At the same time I believe under the Rules under Open Promotional
Examinations, Section VI and VII, it already allows for that in here. I take Lt. Cline's query very
seriously. I think that his point is that we cannot just casually take something like this on. We
can't just off the head or for personal reasons do it. It's got to be done for some very real and
good reasons. I believe that is why that Rule VI and Rule VII is in there. I think that it is very
important that we ask ourselves the honest questions.
I wish my job was so damn easy that I could come in here and not make any noise at all, to
make everyone of my firefighters feel absolutely happy inside. I believe in them with everything
that is in my soul. But I believe that I need to make them successful. I want them to be
• successful and that is one of the commitments that the department has is to develop our
officers so that in the future they can get there.
But I have to also look you in the face right now and say I think I have some candidates inside
but I think I need to go to a broader pool of inside/outside candidates to be confident that I've
made the best decision for the department and for the community."
Commissioner Banister: "We're not hearing from the Union. (Lt. Shepard stood up) Okay, here
we go."
Chair Pattison: "Before you speak, I'd I have a question. Lets talk about the time frame for just
a second. When are you looking at having the Assistant Chief in place and when would you
need, if we are to go forward with this outside testing to make it happen?"
Chief Angelo: "It is my hope that if the Commission does allow for this at the end of this
meeting to be able to give a list to Catherine of the places that I'd like to have an advertisement
faxed to. We will later this morning fax down the proposed wording that basically covers the
ideal candidate and some things about the department and the values. We have a draft put
together. We would hope to have it open on March 1st and close on March 29th at 4:00 p.m.
To be able to give an Assessment Center either the latter part of May or early part of June to be
able to do some further background and then by the middle of July to be able to offer a
candidate a position. That is so that we can get them on board by mid August so that in
September when we are planning to pool our full team together to do some more planning for
this transition and assign positions. We may have a complete rotation of the Assistant Chief
• role at that time and also the Battalion Chiefs roles.
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All that hinges upon them having to be able to have their leader and being able to pool goals
and directions and together, for the future, can also keep programs that are currently running
well moving forward.
Commissioner Banister: "So time is really important."
Chief Angelo: "Let it put it to you that way, that is my request and desired time and its based on
real need. At the same time I'm not presuming because I have the need and that time frame
that you should jump on it as your emergency. However, it is not because of a lack of planning
or a lack of desire. It was not until the end of January that I became aware of the precise time
that Chief Berg would retire at. It was not until the end of December that I was aware of Chief
Kerns' decision and where he was going. I did request to send an officer to the last meeting to
bring this issue up for request. Unfortunately that persons emergency prevented them from
attending that meeting. I regret that. We are not trying to jam this at you all of a sudden to rush
it through, its rather the hand that I've been dealt and thats the timing."
Chair Pattison: "The last bit of housekeeping. Whats the cost associated with looking outside
testing etc.7'
• Chief Angelo: "I anticipate right now, assuming that much of the same process that Catherine
as Chief Examiner using a lot of outside people, psychological testing and the rest of this, we
could be ranging anywhere from $10,000 to $20,000. Somewhere in that area. The money,
I've checked with my bosses already, will come out of my operational budget. It will not come
out of Civil Service. I guarantee you that I am motivated to make sure that its not spent freely,
because it is going to put a pinch on the budget. I do believe that this high level position is that
critical. I have the concurrence of my boss also on this quite important position. We also would
be interacting with Civil Service and Human Resources for some of their assistance."
Chair Pattison: "Are their any questions of Chief Angelo?"
Lt. Shepard: "If I may. My name is Tom Shepard from the Firefighters Union. Certainly we
would like to see this handled internally for all the obvious reasons. The upward mobility and
the movement and growth of our people I believe that the Chief has made some valid points. I
share some of Lt. Cline's concerns and the Chief has addressed those as well. We want this to
be a one time deal. As a Union we don't want to challenge the Chief to give us some training
but we want to be prepared for the next one and we don't want this to happen again. We need
to see some positive steps from the Department and challenge our people and give us those
opportunities for growth and development so that this is a one time exception."
Chair Pattisoin: "By your comments I sense that you are sort of maybe starting to think that this
is maybe not a bad idea."
Lt. Shepard: "I'm not going to go that far."
Commissioner Banister: "Let me ask this question. You see the necessity for it? Is that it?
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Because of the time frame and the situation that the Chief is put in, that this is probably
something that needs to be done?"
Lt. Shepard: "Right, as a Union we've realized that we may be at this point that it is necessary
to go outside just because of the number of people inside who are satisfied with where they are
at. There is a variety of reasons why we have 30 eligible candidates and only several want to
take it. We've talked to people as well. We think that we're probably at that point."
Commissioner Banister: "Roger, is there any problem with okaying it on a one time basis?
Does that set a precedent?"
City Attorney Lubovich: "You're basically setting a policy. I went through the rules and there is
some ambiguity in it but you can open it up if it is agreed that is appropriate to so and if not it
there is an inherent policy in here to try and deal with promotionals. There is a section here that
says, when practical the policy is to go promotional. Even the qualifications for the position it
says that the position requires two years with the Kent Fire Department not any other
governmental agency. There is an exception when on page 18, Section VI, that says that you
can go out if it is determined that you do not have sufficient qualified candidates. I think that the
overall policy is to do promotionals but you can go out under certain circumstances that are
• deemed appropriate by saying that it is your intent to go on with promotionals except in this
particular case because of the current situation.
You are not establishing a rule or anything. There is an inherent policy to go with promotional."
Commissioner Banister: "Well it sounds like the need is there to open it."
C/A Banister: "If that is your finding, its up to the Commission."
Chief Angelo: "If I might comment. I appreciate what Tom said and I must say that its pretty
nice.
I wish there was zero need to do this. I think that we need to leave the Rule there. I don't
speak for the Police Chief. From my position, and I agree with what Tom said, I think that the
department has made some opportunities but the department recognizes that times have
changed and there are some things coming up that will allow us to do even more. Thats our
commitment and we intend to do it regardless of what the decision is today.
I think it is important to develop our people because we do have good, talented people up there.
This is the first time in fifteen years that the department has gone outside. The last time it went
out was for our Fire Chief.
There has been a lot of times when we have had to deal with our youngness and push through
and we were able to do it. I wish I could come before you and consciencely do it now. I don't
• know that in the future some other Chief may not end up in that position. I'll tell you right now
that I have fourteen and a half years left. In that 14 1/2 years I've gotten very very motivated to
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do exactly what Lt. Shepard said. However, it is also going to be important for other people to
understand that they have to join in partnership with us to seek and take those opportunities.
They are not always convenient opportunities and I think that there is a larger pool of
candidates inside who are willing to think in those terms and to do it. I feel confident that the
next time around on this that between ourselves, we can pull it off and do it. At the same time I
don't have to push the ball in front of them. I'd like to move forward if that is acceptable, but at
the same time just put my full attention and energy into helping what Lt. Shepard said. That is
to start developing more of our people and let the results tell us then what is-available in the
Department.
I would agree both Lt. Cline and Lt. Shepard. I think its a bummer for morale. I think it is less
preferable to make it a routine or a habit. I think that the City Attorney said it well, on an
exceptional basis. Thats the only reason I would come to this, and I would lay upon myself that
is the only way I should ever come back in the future. I don't intend to now and I don't want to
come back to visit this in the future again and that is my personal motivation. I can't ask you to
change your rule."
C/A Lubovich: "I have a question. If we are going to do this according to the Rules we are
• supposed to decide to open it up to open competitive examination. You also prepare a certified
promotional list at the same time. It says basically that 'the Civil Service Commission may
instruct the Civil Service Examiner to call for applications for the vacancy and arrange for an
open competitive examination and for the preparation and certification of the promotional list'."
Chief Angelo: "This is standard. Everytime we ask to give a test thats what we are asking
permission to do. To give tests and upon the Chief Examiners results she will bring back that
list and that person is not permitted until there is a certified list."
Chief Examiner Guiguet: "The list is established once all the testing is completed."
C/A Lubovich: "Okay then it is not a separate list."
Chair Pattison: "Any other comments? First of all I'm going to go ahead and make a motion
that we accept this and I'd also like to invite the Department and Unions to call on us to let us
know what ever we can do in the future to make sure that we don't have to do this again. If
there are Rule changes or whatever it takes to help make this unnecessary in the future, to call
on us.
I'm going to make a motion that we accept Chief Angelos' request for authority to give an
Assistant Fire Chief promotional exam to both inside and outside candidates on a one time
basis."
Commissioner Banister: "I second it."
Chair Pattison: "Those in favor of adoption say Aye, (both Commissioners said Aye).
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Motion carried."
C/A Lubovich: "I have a question. Is this commission approving the test that has been
recommended? He has established a testing procedure he has recommenced. Does the Civil
Service Examiner have direction to go out and establish a test or do you need to approve it any
further?"
Chief Angelo: "The items that I listed to you in the beginning when you asked I was going to
put in writing to Catherine. Yes I am asking for the opportunity to ask for that kind of a test.
Obviously the specific events, and I gave some examples of the type that prove typical of what
we've done in the past would be specifically designed by the consultant. Obviously that type of
Lab we want.
We would foresee a tactical problem of some sort, at least one perhaps more. We would see
some interpersonal and community relations and personnel problems situations. We would see
some sort of a board or an oral board. We would see any combination of those and similar
events as in the past in our Fire Department assessment centers that we've given in this
jurisdiction. I am asking for the authority for that consultant to be able to design that test with
the supervision of the Chief Examiner and I'm asking for the other screening capability,
• psychological, physical, background checks, Chiefs interviews."
C/A Lubovich: "The reason I raise this is that Rule IX, Section 1, right off the bat, "all
examinations shall be approved by the Commission before the examination". We want to make
it clear that this is a Commission test not a Fire Department test. Thats the reason. We've got
a very elaborate process thats a little bit more intense than we've done in the past."
Chief Angelo: "Other than the psychologicals and medical exam, the process is the same as
for the people inside."
C/A Lubovich: "Okay."
Chair Pattison: "Well, the way I look at it we simply just gave authority to give a test and so to
give us specifics they would have to be brought before us for approval."
C/A Lubovich: "Well my question is that I just want to make sure that the Commission is
approving the process for the testing. If they are going to hire someone to do the Assessment
as presented and I don't think that it has to come back to you again. You were silent until now
about the testing process. If you approve the process then I would assume thats okay. Thats
approval of the examination."
Chief Angelo: "If I might I think that both Police and ourselves, everytime we've come back to
you to request a test have specified the type of test we'd like to do. Based upon the Civil
Service Examiners knowledge of those types of tests and Assessment Centers. We've never
brought back an exact exam. All of the weightings have to be well in advance, they have to be
in before the test is given. Those are standard operating procedures. I am requesting that we
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have authority to follow that type of a test procedure. I think there is a great deal of work involved for
Catherine and for Human Resources and ourselves to support her."
Chair Pattison: "For the record, we would state our understanding that we are accepting Chief Angelo's
testing procedure."
Chief Angelo: "Basically its just a recommendation to Catherine and she'll have full control."
Chair Pattison: "I think that we're assuming that we have that on the record. Any other business to come
before the Commission?"
Human Resources Director, Sue Viseth: "I wanted to give you an update on the status of the
decertification of the Police Guild. As you are aware there were four collective bargaining units in the
Police Guild. Both Corrections & Police Support have voted to affiliate with the ASFME Union, Local 21 K
here in the City. That affiliation was served by ASFME. We have commenced negotiations with the
support union already and intend to commence negotiations with the Corrections Officers in the next
couple of weeks. We have received notice from the Public Employment Relations Commission that the
Officers Union, the Captains& Lieutenants unit, have requested decertification from the Guild and we
anticipate that they will recertify with the Kent Police Officers Association. I will keep you informed as I
hear more."
Lt. Cline: "I'd like clarification on a Rules Change that was adopted a few months back in regards to
extension of Entry Level Hiring Lists and whether that Rules Change applied to lists that were then in
existence. Specifically the Entry Level Officers List. The Rules Change allows for 6 months extensions
for a total of months if it was requested by the department."
C/A Lubovich: "The Rule was adopted and didn't put any restrictions otherwise. Unless it was intended to
be different it would apply to the existing lists. Unless the Commission wanted to change direction on that
it would apply to all pending lists."
Chief Examiner Guiguet: "All lists that were currently active at that time."
C/A Lubovich: "Yes, active at that time."
Chair Pattison: "Agreed."
Chair Pattison: "There being no further business to come before the Commission I move to adjourn."
Seconded and carried. Adjourned at 8:40 a.m.
The next Regular Meeting will be held on Thursday, March 21/96 at 8:00 a.m.in Council Chambers West.
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Catherine M. Guiguet
Civil Service Secretary &Chief Examiner
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Mike Pattison, Chair