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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCity Council Committees - Civil Services Commission - 09/26/2001 (3) . City of Kent- Civil Service Commission September 26, 2001 Meeting Minutes Members Present: Callius Zaratkiewicz Ron Banister Tim Gimenez Others Present: Asst. C/A Brett Vinson, Jed Aldridge, C/A Roger Lubovich, Chief Crawford, Lt. Steve Ohlde, Lt. Lorna Rufener, Lillian Hernandez, Dep. Chief Miller, Lt. Glenn Woods, others present. Chair Zaratkiewicz called the meeting to order for the September 261h Civil Service meeting at 5:15 p.m. (118) Chair asked all those in attendance to stand and have a moment of silence in remembrance of everybody that was affected by the September 11'h terrorist attacks. I. COMMISSION BUSINESS: • II. HEARING: 1. Appeal of Justin Poe, Entry Level Police and Entry Level Corrections Officer Candidate regarding his removal from the two Eligibility Lists. Chair: Ok. Thank you. Ok being that I think we have everybody here at this time we're gonna move back up. And hearings, appeal of Justin Poe entry level police and entry level corrections officer candidate regarding his removal from the two eligibility lists. So at this time I think that we should move into the hearing. And...do we, how do we want to situate. Jed: Jed Aldridge, E.S., we need to be able to record this then. And so if he would sit in the front seat or use the the remote mic or use the podium... Chair: Ok. (talking over each other 573) Make sure...is that on? Working to get the microphone working properly (577) Brett: Also for the Commission, I have uh provided the commission a copy of uh the • hearings procedures that that outlines the the steps that will be involved. (Brett explains the process to all participants? Talking to quietly to tell for sure 588-670) • Civil Service Commission Meeting September 26, 2001 Page 2 Chair: We'll move right into the opening statements. You're up... D;y" Bruce"Good afternoon members of the commission. I am Bruce Disend$acting as special council to the City. I'll be representing the City this afternoon. And rather than making the traditional opening statement, I would like to raise a an issue concerning the uh jurisdiction of the commission to hear this matter. It is my understanding uh that Mr. Poe has filed an appeal with regard to his placement upon the eligibility register for Corrections Officer. It is my further understanding that the particular uh eligibility list in question has since expired so that if the commission were to grant relief, relief would be to place Mr. Poe upon a list that no longer is in existence. That being the case, uh it appears that this issue, that this appeal is now moot. So, preliminarily, I would move to dismiss the appeal upon that basis." • Discussion between members of the Commission (712) Chair: At this time the the commissioners and myself feel that if there is a problem with the testing process that we would like to know what it is. So we would like to go ahead with the appeal and hopefully if there is an identifiable problem that we could head it off in the future and not have to repeat this. So we're going to go ahead with the appeal, even though, as you've stated, there isn't a remedy as of yet or that we're even aware of but we do want to see if we do have to change something in the testing process. So, we want to allow him to say his peace. Bruce: I certainly have no objection to that. Chair: Ok. Bruce: Uh, I have no further statement in light of your comments. Chair: Ok. Justin Poe: "Uh, good evening, my name is Justin Poe and I was recently a candidate for the Police and Corrections Officers list for the City of Kent. Um, I just want • to start off first of all and say that uh I have no bad feelings toward your department, at all, I my intention is not to sue but rather explain why I feel like I • Civil Service Commission Meeting September 26, 2001 Page 3 should be reinstated on the Police and Corrections List. Um, my goal in life was, and has always been, since I can remember to be a Police or Corrections officer and uh during the testing phase I was doing great with the written, physical, the oral board, and I uh had a psych evaluation and there was questions raised in the psych evaluation on whether I could do the job as a Police or Corrections officer. Uh, I'm here to uh present my case today to you folks um because I believe that I'm qualified to do the job as either Police or Corrections officer. I have brought 4 people that uh are very, I've I've known for awhile, that, two of them I work with, which are Jim Blair and Jimmy Matthews. And I've also brought my two, uh, one of them being my Administration of Justice instructor at Highline College and my athletic academic supervisor Margo Buchan to uh testify on my behalf. Speak on my behalf. Bruce: Members of the commission I I realize this, this, you're not a judicial body although you're serving in that capacity today and I don't want to make these these proceedings unduly legalistic uh and please head me off if I'm going down the wrong • path. My understanding from the appeal that Mr. Poe filed is that it is addressed to the psychological uh testing that was done. Uh, and as for as I am aware from reviewing the City's files, although their aspects of of Mr. Poe's testing were done quite well. Given that case, would it be worthwhile for the Commission to hear what appears to be a rather broadbosed uh testimony on behalf of Mr. Poe on issues that perhaps aren't even in dispute? But rather focus on the psychological testing aspect of his uh participation in the examination? Chair: I'm gonna say that we would prefer that we stay on whatever the issue is, whatever the flaw in the testing process is. Somebody whispers "do you have those scores?" (832) Justin Poe: "Hmmm Hmmm, yes I do" (833) Commissioner: That would be our primary concern, and those would be the issues that we would be dealing with at whatever outcome the hearing has. Darrell Wells: I don't think that we'd have objections on that, but one of the things, I don't as a board whether or not you have seen the scores that Justin.. • Brett: Sir I'm sorry to interrupt but if you could, these proceedings are being recorded if you could just state your name. • Civil Service Commission Meeting September 26, 2001 Page 4 Darrell Wells: Ok. My name is Darrell Wells. Um, we do have copies here that I'd just like to provide you with. This particular one is Entry Level Corrections Officer examination. He has both a written score of 74% , an oral interview score of 81% on there. His total score averaged out to be 78%. Let's see...Ok, we also have... Chair: Would this be...(voice trails off as he asks Brett a question 871) Darrell Wells: Justin tested both far Corrections and Police level officer/entry. On the Police officer score he had a written test of 82% and he had an oral interview score of 100%. He had a final score, after weighing the veteran's preference, was applicable (unintelligible 883) to a 100%. Now the total part of this hearing then ledges back on he had passed all of these tests, goes back to his psychological evaluation on that. What Justin got from the the City, (right here 903) he received a letter "This letter is to notify you that you will no longer be considered for employment with this agency, Police and Corrections, due to your failure of the psychological portion of this selection process." But there is nothing • relating him to this to tell him how that psychological process actually went, what he actually scored on it, or why it actually turned him down in the process. So I understand we have Dr. Ekemo right here right now and maybe he can enlight on that and then we would like to come back and present our case as to Justin's ability to become either a Police Officer or a Corrections Officer. Chair: Ok, then this is tied in with a testing process problem. Darrell Wells: It's tied in with a testing process yes, but we have two of uh Justin's um college professors here that can will testify as to his abilities on that. Chair: Ok great. Are these character reference or are...See we have a focus on what we are working with. The test, our tests that are certified, you know, by the state and so on and so forth. Now if there is a problem with the test I want to go and fix it. D Wells: I'm not privy to the test. So I don't know on that so I have no idea... Chair: I guess another question that I have too is are you entering these in as evidence at this time? • • Civil Service Commission Meeting September 26, 2001 Page 5 Wells: I do not know. You can call it evidence if you want. I do not know if you had ever seen those test scores. Discussion between Commission and Brett (965). Brett: Mark one and then identify it for the record as exhibit A and then mark the other one... Chair: Let's just make sure that we have them all so that...Ok, do we have, we have two copies here. Is that correct? D. Wells: Copies of Police and copies of the Corrections. Chair: Ok. Wells: Relating to his test scores prior to psychological exam. Tests are entered in as Exhibit A and Exhibit B. Brett Vinson: I have as exhibit A the Entry level Corrections Officer examination letter dated March 141h addressed to Justin Poe. And as exhibit B I have the Entry level Police Officers letter dated March 2. (unintelligible 1000) Wells: Ok, now you want to keep this in light of the psychological exam portion of it? Chair: Well the challenge...My understanding is the challenge that is being made is on the psychological exam. Wells: That is the basis of the challenge, yes. Chair: Ok, that there was a flaw in the system and that Justin would have scored higher if the test had been more accurate. That's what my understanding is. (Two males confirm that that is their mutual understanding (1020)) Bruce: Could could I ask the commissioners what that understanding is based upon? • The indication that I have in the record is Mr. Poe's letter of April 291h of this year • Civil Service Commission Meeting September 26, 2001 Page 6 to Mr. Jed Aldridge which in the second paragraph quote "I am requesting an appeal because I feel the psychological evaluation may have been slighted." Uh, is there any other documentation concerning the appeal that the commission is privy to that I'm not aware of? Chair: Do we have any other documentation as far as the testing process is concerned? (mumbling 1048- 1062) Wells: Since Dr. Ekemo did the psychological exam, can he address this as to the specifics? Bruce: At this joint I'm just trying to determine what the scope of the appeal is and the commissioner indicated an understanding of what the appeal involved, I'm just trying to determine what that's based upon: documentation or statements... • Chair: Our understanding, my understanding, from the letter that we received was that there was concern over the testing process and whether or not it was a clear and accurate evaluation. Before we move to the Dr., Jed, could you give us an overview of the testing and how the tests relate to other tests as for as when they set up a testing process? Jed: For Police Officer? Chair: Yeah. And how they relate like City of Tacoma, City of Seattle... Jed: Jed Aldridge, Employment Manager, typically there is a series of events during an entry level testing process for Police Officer uh throughout the state. And that may or may not include a written examination, may or may not include a physical agility examination, may or may not include uh some video testing, uh may or may not include an oral interview/or what's commonly referred to as an oral board. Um, and then from there a list is established and a a conditional offer of employment is made based of the successful passage of the psychological and physical examination by a psychologist and a physician. Um, and then uh there's a final Chief's interview um and maybe even perhaps a follow-up interview that takes • place. It's a it's a multiple step process that that people go through. • Civil Service Commission Meeting September 26, 2001 Page 7 Excuse me, before you leave I can you give me some additional information about the process of the psychological screening if that would be helpful. Um... Chair: Would you state your name (unintelligible 1140) talking about,whether witness is coming across clearly. Dr. Bill Ekemo: Um, my name is Dr. Bill Ekemo, I'm a licensed psychologist in Washington state which means you need to complete an accredited program of study through a regionally um credited school or university. I'm a graduate of California School of Professional Psychology. Um, I had clinical emphasis in my training in neuropsychology and then did a 2 yr. Post doc. Fellowship of law enforcement psychology and clinical neuropsychology in private practice. And um, I've probably conducted in the last six yrs. About somewhere in the'area of 4500- 5000 evaluations for public safety officers- that includes corrections, fire fighters, police, and police officers. I also worked for appx. 10 yr$. For the state of Alaska as a corrections officer in juvenile custody. (Unintelligible 1169) That's • my background and training with respect to doing these. Um, my supervisor and mentor for a number of years is Dr. David Smith who is one of the chairpersons for the um Washington Assoc. of Police Chiefs and Sheriffs in establishing a criteria for which uh applicants would be screened for a Police Officer/ Public Safety position. That that, those criteria was developed in 1991. I got kind of a dry throat today. But um basically um, there is some requirements that there will be a minimum of two psychological type screening um instruments used that assess for personality characteristics and traits, and what we call sort of goodness-for-fit for uh this type of work. In addition to that we would use um an instrument that would tap or uh test one's intellect and capacity to reason and make judgements and decisions in a short amount of time. Granted, those are paper and pencil tests. One must read fairly quickly and make some decisions about answering and responding to questions in a said manner. We take a look at all of those um tests in conjunction with clinical interview that would probably be anywhere from 45 mins. To an hour and a half in length in which we're looking at um an applicant's history, family history, work history, and any pertinent information related to integrity issues, background, judgement, decision making type of information that we would acquire from the scope of the evaluation. And we put all of that together and simply try to integrate it into a report and provide a rating system to the agency that might rank a candidate based on whether we consider them to be an excellent • or outstanding candidate, above average, average, below average,,or um possibly um at some liability risk to the agency for problems in either at completing the • Civil Service Commission Meeting September 26, 2001 Page 8 Academy or having failures on the job. Does that answer or are there questions about...I can briefly touch on the areas that we look for and that we examine based on the criteria developed by the Washington Assoc. of Police Chiefs and Sheriffs. And I also realize that really um there's probably a very small group of us within the State that do these types of evaluations on a day-in and day-out basis. Um, and I don't know what that number is but I would guess it's somewhere between not more than probably about 10 folks in the State; ten or twelve folks who do this on a regular basis. Our office uh probably works for approximately 60 different law enforcement agencies, 8 sheriff's departments, and State of Washington um Dept. of Corrections as well. Brett: Before going into, uh it appears that Dr. Ekemo is going to be testifying about the different areas that he's usually tested. That would probably be uh better served in...We're still kinds in the opening statements of things. Dr. Ekemo: That sort of lays the parameters a little bit at least. • Brett: Also, if as a point of clarification, uh and to assist um the Commission in uh focusing uh this appeal...Justin had hired an Attorney, Ms. Karol Whealdon, at the beginning of uh this process. And Ms. Whealdon's uh involvement in this matter centered around one issue and the issue was getting a copy of the psychological exam and the raw data that was taken in order to comply, or to uh compile that psychological exam to a Dr. Green who is an individual who um is, I don't know if he's a psychologist or a psychiatrist, but essentially what Justin and had asked through his attorney was that we give the raw data and uh psychological exam to another psychologist to review to determine if the testing procedure was flowed or if the uh results were in some way skewed. I sent a letter on July 101h, to Dr. Ekemo advising uh that he release and forward a copy of the psychological exam and raw data to um Dr. Green. I'd spoke with Ms., Ms. Whealdon and uh on August 10'h she advised me that she was withdrawing because her um involvement in the matter had ceased and that Dr. Green was reviewing the documents and and the raw data. I haven't heard anything else from uh Justin Poe or Karol Whealdon with reference to the documents that we uh sent to Dr. Green. Poe: May I ask you folks? • Chair: Sure. . Civil Service Commission Meeting September 26, 2001 Page 9 Poe: Ok. Uh, actually I was working with Karol originally through this matter just to help get me started. Um, I decided it would not, it wouldn't be in my best interest to do anything with an Attorney. Like I said, I'm not here for any bad reasons and I figured an attorney would present that. Uh, I left Karol out of it, I wanted to go in and really just present uh my case. I went in to Dr. Allen Green in 1993 shortly before I entered Highline Community College and, uh, he helped me, he re-evaluated me in this process um , excuse me, to help get me started uh to see if there was any flaws in ,eh, in the testing process. Uh, right now I am working with uh little information with results that I have here of why I got taken off the Police and Corrections lists. There were no reasons uh given why. Um, now the reason why I I would like some answers today is just merely because of my testing scores. Um, I I just maybe want to know why that way I can state my case, um, a little bit better. Chair: Are we pretty much through the opening statements? Bruce: If I might follow-up on Mr. Poe's statement because I, it's clear to me that • the Commission is interested in assuring the process is legitimate, valid one that selects applicants appropriately. And we're focusing on the psychological aspects of it. Dr. Ekemo who who administered the test obviously is available to receive questions you may have and if necessary he can be called as a witness either by Mr. Poe or myself. In light of the fact that his findings were shared with with Dr. Green, I'm wondering whether it might be in the interest of efficiency of this hearing, uh it might be worthwhile for the Commission to inquire whether Dr. Green will be available whether he has any issues with regard to the particular testing. If not, um we may be drawing the hearing to a conclusion shortly, if he does than certainly we want to learn about that as well. So perhaps Mr., with the Commission's permission, Mr. Poe will Dr. Green be here? Poe: No, no he won't today. Ekemo: We're interested to comment with respect to this is that, um when applicants complete an instruction process in our office it does state at the bottom here that is says "the department paid for and owns the summary report. Its inquiries regarding results should be directed to the department where detailed information regarding specific test findings is available from the psychologist at the expense of the applicants and in concurrence with the department". It's not • unusual for a couple of times a year in our office to have someone call us and ask if they can have for feedback and discuss the results of the examination. Justin did Civil Service Commission Meeting September 26, 2001 Page 10 not do that though he could have contacted the department and asked for their permission. They own the evaluation, they are our client in these circumstances. We've never had a department refuse to provide or to allow an applicant to receive that type of information in those circumstances. We charge a nominal fee and I'd be happy to sit down and go over the evaluation and explain the results and the reasons for the decisions that I've rendered. But that was not done;in this case. Chair: Ok, uh.... Conversation/ whispering taking place on the side (1500) Bruce: I was just talking to Mr. Poe and asked whether he would be interested in taking advantage of that opportunity and he indicated he would. I said, well in light of that fact, if you wish to do that, uh it might be of assistance although it would result in some degree of delay, perhaps to continue the hearing so that Mr. Poe would have the opportunity to meet with Dr. Ekemo. His questions may resolve this • matter in his mind. If they do not, then perhaps, we certainly can reconvene the Commission's hearing. But at this juncture, it is unclear to me that there is a flaw in the testing process. I understand Mr. Poe's inquiry to be more in the nature of just wanting to understand why he received the evaluation that he did. Perhaps the Commission's time might be best spent deferring any action until such time as Mr. Poe has the opportunity to meet with the Dr. Chair: Is that your desire at this time is to meet with the Dr.? Justin: Yes, Sir, it is. Chair: Ok. Well then at this point what we're going to do is we're going to defer any further action until Mr. Poe makes contact with the Dr. and then at which point, if we need to go back to the appeal process again we'll re-enter and reschedule. At this time... Brett: Just as a uh point of clarification, I wouldn't advise the Commission to have kind of an open time period to allow that to happen. Or an open time period uh in which to allow uh Mr. Poe to schedule an appeal. Chair: How much time would we need to make this happen effectively? i • Civil Service Commission Meeting September 26, 2001 Page 11 Bruce: Dr. Ekemo are you fairly available to meet? Ekemo: Yeah, fairly available. Really all the person needs to do, as long as it's ok with the department, is call our office and schedule an appointment with me. I don't have my schedule book with me so I couldn't say for sure what my availability is but I would certainly say that to go over the results and talk...I never know how long that's going to take. I might meet with an applicant for half an hour, I might meet with them for an hour or two hours. My job I think when they come is to provide as much useful information to them as possible and to give them some guidance if that's what they ask for. If that takes two hours, then it takes two hours. But he could certainly call and schedule an appointment and I would suspect that I have sometime next week but I couldn't say for sure when. Justin: My understanding is to call Dr. Ekemo's office and schedule an appointment with him directly. • Does it have to be coordinated...through the City? Chuck Miller: Deputy Police Chief, is a verbal authorization sufficient for you? Dr. Ekemo: Absolutely. Chuck Miller: You got it. (laughter) Chair: What we'll do, at this time we'll continue the hearing until the next meeting. There was some discussion (1632) as to how Justin Poe would be informed of the next Civil Service Commission meeting. It was decided that a letter would be sent on behalf of the Commission notifying Mr. Poe of the date and time of the next meeting when the continuation of his appeal would take place. (October 241h, 5:15 P.M.) J. Poe: Real quick if I may say something. Uh, I just right now want to thank you folks for your time. • Chair: Ok, motion seconded, all those is favor say 'aye'. • Civil Service Commission Meeting September 26, 2001 Page 12 'AYE' Chair: Ok, motion passes. Ok, is there any other business to come before the Commission at this time? III. OLD BUSINESS: A. Accept Into Record: 1. Chair moved to approve the minutes of the meeting from August 22nd, 2001 Civil Service Meeting. Motion seconded and carried. IV. NEW BUSINESS: A. Accept Into Record • Chair: Is there anybody that would like to review any of the topics 1-7 and accept into record? Seeing none, I'm going to make a motion that we accept item 1-7 into record. Motion to accept items 1-7. Lt. Woods addressed the Commission in regard to Item #1. 1. Certification letter dated September 13, 2001 from Chief Examiner Winecka establishing the Police Captain Eligibility List, 2. Certification letter dated September 14, 2001 from Chief Examiner Winecka establishing the Entry Level Correction Officer Eligibility List. 3. Letter dated August 16, 2001 from Chief Crawford to Thomas Burnside congratulating him on being hired as a probationary Police Officer for the City of Kent Police Department, effective September 16, 2001. 4. Letter dated August 23, 2001 from Chief Crawford to Gregory • Richards congratulating him on being hired as Probationary Police • Civil Service Commission Meeting September 26, 2001 Page 13 Officer for the City of Kent Police Department, effective September 18, 2001, 5. Resignation letter from Trisha King-Stargel received from the Police Department August 22nd effective September 5, 2001. 6. Resignation letter from Dean Lindberg dated August 16'h received from the Police Department with an effective date of September 4, 2001. 7. Resignation letter from Kenneth Martin received from the Police Department September 201h effective September 4, 2001. Lt. Woods: Mr. Chair? I do have one. Item number 1. On the certification, uh let me identify myself first. I'm Glenn Woods. I'm a It. With the, uh, Police dept. I'm • here representing, uh, 4 other police, uh, police Its. I know this is just a movement to accept in to record the certification/ or the establishing of the Police Captain eligibility list. Just want to, uh, make you aware that at approximately 4:10 this afternoon a letter of appeal was filed with the Chief Examiner's Office appealing the Promotional exam on behalf of, uh, five of the candidates. Commission chair: Okay. So then what we'll do is, we will Brett: We'll move this into the next meeting (unintelligible 183- mumbling and talking hushedly). Allow it to be addressed separate from the remaining seven items. Chair: What we'll do with this is we will, at the present time, we'll approve 2-7. So I'll withdraw the first motion . Jed: Point of clarification, um, the eligibility list is4eaay established when the Chief Examiner certifies that, uh, the day that all the test scores are in. There's an appeal period within 10 days of that. Uh, I understand, uh, Lt. Woods', uh, concern is that he just wants to make you aware of that issue. Chair: Is it critical that we have to respond on that item right now? Or can we • hold? I • Civil Service Commission Meeting September 26, 2001 Page 14 Lubovich: The list is already established by by the Examiner. I would, suggest/my suggestion was to remove that and discuss and just lump that with the issue of the petitions filed. And appeal that at that time. Chair: Okay. Lubovich: That would be (unitelligible 216) Chair: We will, we will return to item #1 when we get to the discussion of the appeal. How's that? So for right now I make a motion that we accept items 2-7 into record. Motion is seconded and passes. B. Action Items for Discussion Chair: Okay, moving right along. We have action items. Items 1, 2, • and 4 belong to acting Chief Hamilton. Would you like to discuss items 1, 2, and 4? Action items for discussion...no response (244). Memo dated August 171h, 2001 from A/C Hamilton notifying his authorization... 1. Memo dated August 17, 2001 from A/C Hamilton notifying this office of the appointment of Mike Scott to Provisional Assistant Chief effective July 1, 2001. 2. Memo dated August 17, 2001 from A/C Hamilton notifying this office of the appointment of Brian Kruml to Provisional Battalion Chief effective July 1, 2001. 4. Memo dated September 10, 2001 from A/C Hamilton in regard to the appointment of Jon Napier to Provisional Battalion;Chief as well as Tom Shepard to Provisional Assistant Chief. Jed: These are notifications of of provisional appointments notifying Civil Service of the trickle down effect since Chief Angelo has left and gone to, El Segundo. Uh, the fire department has found it necessary to make a provisional uh Fire Chief, • provisional A/C, provisional Battalion Chief, provisional Lts. It's a trickledown effect of that and these are uh memos from um the interim Fire Chief to the Civil • Civil Service Commission Meeting September 26, 2001 Page 15 Service Commission notifying us of those. The only one that I am unclear on is item #4. Um, um and there was some discussion about if he in fact had served enough time as a lieutenant. And I don't know that for a fact. Chair: Can we respond to #4 at this time? Do we have anybody here with the information dealing with action item #4? Jed: Looks like it's a pretty blue audience. No fire representatives. Chair: Ok. So then at this time I'm going to make a motion that we accept items 1 & 2 into record. Seconded Motion has been moved and seconded. All those is favor say 'aye'. 'Aye' Chair: Ok, motion passes. • 3.Memo dated September 5, 2001 from Lt. Ohlde to the Commission requesting approval to test for Entry Level Police Officer as well as make changes to that test by implementing a video test. Chair: Lt. Ohlde. Would you like to discuss with us item #3 please. Thank you sir. Ohlde: The last Entry level test uh list that we had has expired and we would like to ask you uh for an additional/another Entry level test. Uh, we currently have 4 uh open uh positions and we need to test as soon as possible. At the same time, it's kind of a two-fold question, we're looking at uh alternative resources, possibly changing the uh existing test. The last test we've had for quite some years (mumbling 314) and there's three different variations of that test. We want to change the test so that we receive better applicants. So it involves uh finances and things like that and we're working with HR. (Mumbling 323) The one right now that is encouraging is the video testing. It's kind of a new trend that;involves situational scenarios on video then the applicants/candidates have so much time to answer each individual scenario. You also follow that with a reading testand also a report writing test. So on the surface this looks like it would be a more comprehensive • test and give us uh more applicants to work with. (mumbling 341) • Civil Service Commission Meeting September 26, 2001 Page 16 Chair: Do we have any questions? Jed: E.S.- we've been working with Lt. Ohlde and and we we're very supportive of this process. There's some details that need to be ironed out. It looks to be a very fair process. Um, we've all reviewed it and and we're very much in support of it. Commissioner (?): I'd like to motion that approval be granted to test for entry level police officer and to make changes to the test implementing the video test. Motion seconded and passed. Chair: Item number 4. Uh, what we're going to do is we're gonna table this until we get clarification as far as the time necessary to be on the list. And as soon as we get that cleared, we will revisit it and I guess take the appropriate:action. So I'm gonna make a motion that we table this item until we get clarification. Seconded and passes. Seconded. All those in favor say 'aye'. • Aye' Chair: Ok. Motion passes to table item #4. Ok. Lubovich: I don't know where we are in this agenda, but we have an item on the list (mumbling 396). Chair: Well right now we have successfully completed all the business except for the hearing. And we're still waiting on the attorney. As soon as we get the attorney (interruption by Lubovich: I'm talking about this petition that was filed today) yeah, do we want to hear that? Lubovich: Well, we discussed what you were going to do with the,petition. Do you accept it? Are you going to set a hearing? Chair: I feel that we should schedule a hearing. Lubovich: And... (talking over one another between Lubovich and Chair 413) • Lubovich: I don't think anybody wants to talk about it but • Civil Service Commission Meeting September 26, 2001 Page 17 Chair: Being that we still have some time until the attorney gets here... Lubovich: Well he's here, he's outside. Chair: Oh, he is? Oh, Ok. Woods: Again Mr. Chair, on that one issue that you're still talking about. We're uh we're not, uh, not prepared, nor do I believe the City is prepared to uh talk about the issues. Uh, we just wanted to go on record that there is an appeal uh that has been uh delivered at the Chief Examiner's Office. And, uh, possibly have it set aside for a future hearing date. Chair: Ok, it would be as soon as possible. Woods: As soon as possible • Chair: That would be ok) Woods: That would be very, very good. Chair: So as soon as we're able to set up the time and coordinate with those on uh the letter requesting the appeal so that everybody could have all their facts and figures and everything together. And if the attorney is here I guess we can...(side talking 446) Roger: Well who's going to set the time and how is everybody going to get notified I guess are their questions. And I don't know if you can set a time right now but what I think, my understanding was the desire or not by some not to have it the at the time of the meeting but that's up to the Commission, it's up to you. Chair: Do they want to have a separate appeal? Is your request for an appeal other than a normal meeting? Woods: Yes sir. Glenn Woods again on the record. Uh, our desire is to have a separate hearing outside of the normal scheduled uh commission 'meeting. . Civil Service Commission Meeting September 26, 2001 Page 18 Roger: Administration's understanding is also the same (mumbling 468). But it's up to the commission. (side talking, unintelligible 471) So then someone is going to issue a notice as to when the hearing will be? The Chief Examiner? Chair: Yes. I'll work with (unintelligible 481) Roger: The last item left in this is accepting into record that letter, the certification letter. All this (mumbling 485) Chair: I make a motion that we accept the Certification letter requesting an appeal... Brett: No Chair: No? (side talking, background noise 492) Roger: Actually accept the Certification letter as well as the petition into the record. Chair: Ok. Item number 1 I accept into record. (side talking 500) Roger: Just accept that item -mumbling 502 Tim or Ron: I make a motion that we accept into record the certification letter dated September 1P, 2001 along with the petition to protest the certification letter. Seconded and passed. Chair: Motion has been seconded, all those in favor say 'aye'. 'Aye' Roger: And just to clarify for the record you will be sending out a notice you have granted the right to an appeal (mumbling 518) • Chair: Yes. . Civil Service Commission Meeting September 26, 2001 Page 19 Roger: Ok. Lillian Hernandez: Commissioners I just have a quick, a point of clarification. My name is Lillian Hernandez. I'm Chief steward for AFSCME 2617, which is our local union, and under action items for discussion number 5 is typed on here and we have requested it to be pulled. And unfortunately it was not pulled of the actual agenda. Chair: Ok, that's why we didn't address it. Hernandez: And, correct, but also there's a point of clarification that we want to make sure is reflected in the record. Where it says local 2617 to reorganize part- time employees in the Kent Police dept. into Civil Service should say,"recognize", not reorganize. But this time we do wish that to be pulled. Chuck Miller: I just wanted to advise you that uh Mr. Krieble who conducted the Captains exam has also been uh contracted with to perform the Lieutenants and Sergeants promotional exam and that we'll be moving forward with that process. Chair: Ok, thank you. Is there any other business to come before the Commission. Seeing none. Motioned to adjourn meeting and motion seconed. All those in favor say 'aye'. 'AYE' Chair: Ok, this Commission in now adjourned. Thank you all very much. (1712) Meeting adjourned at 6:03 p.m. The next regular Civil Service Meeting will be held at 5:15 p.m. on Wednesday, October 241h, 2001. Respectfully submitted, Natalie Winecka Civil Service Secretary & Chief Examiner Approved: air Callius Zdoratkiewicz Winecka, Natalie rom: Winecka, Natalie ent: Friday, October 19, 2001 3:20 PM To: _Fire All Personnel; _Police All Personnel;Anh Hoang; banisters@uswest.net; Becky Fowler; Brett Vinson; Cheryl Viseth; Dea Drake; Debra Leroy; Jan Banister;jczak@iam751.org; Jed Aldridge; Jim White; Joe Bartlemay; Karen Ford; Kathleen Senecaut; Marvin Bartlemay; Mike Martin; Natalie Winecka; RobS@council2.com; Roger Lubovich; Rose Jacob; Steve Ohlde; Sue Viseth; Tammy McQueeney; TGimenez@msn.com Subject: Minutes from September's meeting Please click on the icon below for the minutes from the September 26th Civil Service meeting. CSmeeting09260 S.doc Thank you, Natalie Winecka Civil Service Chief Examiner • 1